As a newbie to this list I must say. Wow! I tried to be a peacemaker. It really bothers me that you sound so depressed even though I don't know you. I have been through a lot in my life. This time last year I was puking in the gutter outside a methadone clinic. Everyone making light of heroin addiction, I know its a joke, I was there at that point and ooooooh I want to shoot up soooooooo bad sometimes ... really I just fall to my knees. Oh, to get that insanely lovely rush ... oh my god I drive through the dirty city looking for places to score ... I don't know anywhere here...an hour and a half north and I can score clean and safe ...quarter piece...half piece...i have clean needles in the closet ... ultra-fine... Lou Reed, so clichi, "I really don't care anymore, about all the jim jims in this town, and everybody putting everybody else down, and all the dead bodies piling up in mounds." So pleeeze, you don't get any medication, nor do I or anyone. Its a sweet lie. Be here now with me. Love is the answer. I wrote this the other day:
Casualty: here in love's presence i will lay me down and here in love's airplane we're just touching ground to walk in love's pathway if only for a while and feel love shining shining in your smile i open the door the door to my heart i've let you in and love, is the key the key to my freedom the wages of my sin here in love's ocean we will sink like stones here beneath the green waves love will bless our souls so deep in love's sweet dream we will rest in peace drown in love's presence i shall be released i open the door the door to my heart i let you in and love, love is the key the key to my freedom the wages of my sin -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Paz Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kakki; mack watson-bush; Joni Digest Subject: Where's my fecking medication??? NJC (LONG) Does this mean that we will all be having cocktails by the pool soon?? > Gillian wrote: > > << Who is Kakki to gauge how much someone else should enjoy another artist's > work and/or how loudly they should clap? >> > > To which Kakki replied > > << What's ironic is that I thought I'd conveyed my extremely mixed emotions > over the whole situation and did state I didn't know what people should have > done regarding their applause. >> > > To which I can only add "hear hear!" You DID convey your ambivalence and > seemed to me to go out of your way to stress that you *weren't* decreeing what > people should have done. > > As I'm sure you're aware Kakki, I disagree with you pretty comprehensively > about most things political. Despite, or maybe because of that, I want to say > that I totally support you on this issue, in the light of this unseemly > sniping, although I'm not sure two people counts as "Kakki bashing" (and I > know it wasn't you who used that phrase)- I'm glad to see that several people > share this point of view. I also agree with you that Ric owes you an apology. > > Azeem Then Mack wrote: No, that was me. I am not sure just exactly how many it takes to constitute a bash. 3? 12? Webster defines it as -to engage in harsh, accusatory criticism. Sounds like that fits the bill. I often don't agree with Kakki either on politics, although many times I do, but I read each and every post she puts forth here. Why? Because she is informed and makes her points concisely, passionately, and without getting personal, although on occasion she has had to delve into the latter, a bit, when attacked, but more often than not she doesn't even engage in that. It seems as if she and her posts are always held to a different standard than anyone else. I can only surmise it is because of her stances on different subjects that are often at odds with the consensus, here on the JMDL. I appreciate her and her views. mack Mack thanks so much for this insightful post. I have been resisting posting for so long about this, mostly because I am so overwhelmingly depressed right now and have not been myself. I always come here for relief from life's troubles and to find likeminded people musically and family. The attacks that have been aimed at some I hold in the highest regard disturb me so much. I have been knowing Kakki for over 6 years now and I have had some incredible times with her at Jonifests or just chilling by the sea in New England or as a guest in her home or just here in cyber space. We have talked about everything under the heavens and she always has been so forthcoming and intelligent in our discussions. We agree on so many things (especially Joni, music, food, choice of cocktails, and company) but not always. I have never seen her ATTACK anyone personally for their views or beliefs. Yet she is always attacked for posting something timely in the news or what ever the current thread is or whatever. She is the most gracious hostess I have ever known. A true giver. I don't recall her asking me for anything in return for all the things she has offered me and others on this fecking list. She is connected, and I don't just mean hollywood. She gets it. She's far more intelligent than I will ever be and sometimes goes so far over my head with the political stuff, BUT....I always find her interesting and forthcoming with information to back up her current discussion (or rant as I think someone put it). She almost always backs up her discussion with links to sights etc. and NEVER has said an unkind thing to someone personally because they don't agree or "smoke the same cigarettes as me" (sorry I digressed into the stones for only a moment) or whatever. Bottom line is, if you are gonna get in on these discussions, keep it to topic and not take a swat at someone cause you are different. In these times I think we all need each others support as friends and think we can all agree to disagree with each other on whatever the topic (God forbid that we might even learn something from one another), BUT we don't need to ATTACK each other and send the heavy artillery to flame some person personally. I encourage everyone to talk about whatever they want to talk about (even tho I was one who rebelled against anything other than Joan in the beginning, but only cause I was young and stupid) this list is a community for all of us and what I have come to appreciate more than anything including Joan is what is going on in your personal lives, the mini fests, the musical NP's and suggestions, what Colin's animals are up to, what bikinis Jimmy's Cuban is wearing on the beach, (Icould go on fer days here but this already tooooo long) and whatever. The only thing I REALLY hate is to read an outright attack on someone because you disagree or because you haven't gotten laid recently, or it's your period, or you so fecking depressed or you wanna lash out at someone else to make everyone else as miserable as you are (insert your own lame excuse here____________________________________________________________________ ____ {hope that was enough room for your excuse} ). I truly have been in a horrible funk lately. The war has really affected me in a very bad way and my personal and professional life are not much better (not to mention that friends on the list who have been laid off of work or suffering with sickness or loss..... And on and on). I am somewhere in the middle in regard of it and I find that I have no one to communicate with about my feelings for it. I usually avoid political discussions, but feel that I need to talk to someone about it. Even thought I usually feel like I can say anything here, I don't feel comfortable talking about my feelings about it because I fear that it will just turn into some personal attack because I don't feel the same way as you do. That is NOT a good thing for a list like this one where most of the folks are intelligent as well as compassionate and comforting to their brothers and sisters. Normally even in the worst instances I can rise above the bad and see or feel the good. This war and my personal and professional life have been in a downward spiral for the past couple of weeks. I got a haircut today and had a drink (I have been on the wagon for over a week which probably explains everything), and had some razor clams from New England (go figure) at Rio Mar (my fave restaurant in New Orleans) and I am feeling better and up to posting after a long lurk. Wish I had a few of you here in the house to play a few tunes and knock back a few. I wish to thank Bob Muller for all his report on the W2W as well as everyone else who shared their thoughts on the gig. My ass has leaned (as we all knew it would) towards attending this years NE Jonifest and I am longing for the closeness and music with so many of you. I wish you all well and I pray for the brave people who are defending us abroad, unworthy as we may be, and pray for a swift end to the war. I also wish that all of you answer so many of our prayers and be tolerant with one another in our home here on the JMDL (thanks Les!). I wish you all comfort and love in your lives and look forward to breaking bread and toasting us all in person soon. Love Paz P.S. Happy Birthday to Evian and Suze! Annie get and IPOD (go Macs). And Fred Simon I was thinking it might be a good week to try heroin too, but I quit drugs just in time lol. Also thanks to Bryan for the Gino Vannelli recommendation, I love that guy! Sorry for the long post! It's better than me catching up after 800 posts with 19 of my own! Out!
