Hi Les,

Sorry my bad hadn't noticed that; That would really be funny, trying to
register a name used by the trademark office itself :-)

Another thing that crossed my mind is that you could also name it after
yourself; Since it is your name, anyone will have a hard time claiming a
IP infringement. Like the Mike Rowe case for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft

I don't know if Apache would like such a naming scheme though.

Kind regards,

Jasper

On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:52 -0400, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Hi Jasper,
> 
> There might be some confusion here - TESS is not a suggested name for
> the project - it is the name of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's
> search engine: http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Les
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Jasper Siepkes <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>         Hi All,
>         
>         Regarding the name Tess; I know that the automated assistant
>         of Ziggo
>         (largest cable provider here in the Netherlands) is called
>         Tess. Not
>         really in the same field, it is software however.
>         
>         Kind regards,
>         
>         Jasper
>         
>         
>         On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 22:18 +0200, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
>         > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Les Hazlewood
>         <[email protected]>
>         > wrote:
>         >         Hi Maarten,
>         >
>         >         This is a good question.
>         >
>         >         There is nothing in TESS that shows a potential
>         naming
>         >         conflict other than a result.  That is, if you
>         execute a
>         >         search for all active entries, and a result comes
>         up, odds are
>         >         high that it would not be a good candidate.  Or if
>         you do see
>         >         a result, be sure it is not software related in any
>         way.
>         >
>         > Hi Les,
>         >
>         > What I actually meant is this:
>         > In your original post, you're saying "It seems as if our
>         recently
>         > changed name of Apache Ki is not free from potential naming
>         conflict
>         > problems"
>         > Where does this info come from ?  Is this info backed by an
>         entry in
>         > the TESS database ?  Or an entry in another "intellectual
>         property"
>         > database ?
>         >
>         > Best regards
>         > Maarten
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         You're right that "Apache Ki" would have been the
>         official
>         >         name if it stood, but the Incubator seemed to come
>         to a
>         >         consensus that we should change the name just in
>         case.  They
>         >         felt it would be best to find a name with no overlap
>         anywhere,
>         >         just to be safe;  they're trying to limit the
>         possibility of
>         >         anyone starting legal action contending for a name -
>         they
>         >         could not afford to deal with that if it ever
>         surfaced.
>         >
>         >         Cheers,
>         >
>         >         Les
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Maarten Bosteels
>         >         <[email protected]> wrote:
>         >                 Hi Les,
>         >
>         >                 Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the
>         potential
>         >                 naming conflict ?
>         >                 It could help us understand which names are
>         good
>         >                 candidates.
>         >
>         >                 I don't quite understand the problem
>         (IANAL).
>         >                 My apologies if this has all been discussed
>         before.
>         >
>         >                 As far as I understand,  the name of the
>         project is
>         >                 "Apache Ki" not just "Ki", so I don't see
>         any
>         >                 conflicts.
>         >                 Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be
>         missing
>         >                 something here.
>         >
>         >                 All Apache project names I tried, generate
>         several
>         >                 hits on TESS: James, MINA, Cocoon, Maven,
>         Cayenne
>         >
>         >                 Maarten
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >                 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les
>         Hazlewood
>         >                 <[email protected]> wrote:
>         >                         Thanks!
>         >
>         >
>         >                         On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM,
>         sebb
>         >                         <[email protected]> wrote:
>         >
>         >
>         >                                 PANEKANA - apparently means
>         security
>         >                                 in Hawaiian.
>         >                                 No hits in TESS.
>         >                                 Google shows no hits
>         relating to
>         >                                 commercial enterprises.
>         >
>         >
>         >                                 On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood
>         >                                 <[email protected]>
>         wrote:
>         >                                 > Hi Apache Community.
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  It seems as if our
>         recently changed
>         >                                 name of Apache Ki is not
>         free from
>         >                                 >  potential naming conflict
>         problems,
>         >                                 and we'll need to change our
>         name
>         >                                 again.
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  So, we're reaching out to
>         everyone
>         >                                 and anyone who would like to
>         >                                 contribute a
>         >                                 >  new name to the
>         suggestion pool.
>         >                                  Here's how the process will
>         work:
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  1. All new names will be
>         accepted
>         >                                 by anyone for 1 week.
>          Starting now,
>         >                                 >  ending 27 May 2009
>         Midnight GMT-8.
>         >                                 >  2. We'll present the
>         compiled list
>         >                                 of submitted names in a new
>         email.
>         >                                 >  Everyone will have 72
>         hours to vote
>         >                                 on their favorite.
>         >                                 >  3. The top 5 names by
>         vote count
>         >                                 will be the finalists.
>         >                                 >  4. 72 more hours to vote
>         to reduce
>         >                                 the list to 2 final names.
>         >                                 >  5. 1 final 72 hour period
>         to vote
>         >                                 on one of these 2 names.
>          The name
>         >                                 that
>         >                                 >  wins by simple majority
>         will be the
>         >                                 new project name.
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  Please ensure any name
>         submission
>         >                                 is free and clear to the
>         best of your
>         >                                 >  knowledge from any
>         Trademarks or
>         >                                 Patents by performing a
>         search [1].
>         >                                  Also
>         >                                 >  if you can get little or
>         no results
>         >                                 in Google and Yahoo, that
>         would be a
>         >                                 >  great candidate too.
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  Name submission starts
>         NOW.
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  We look forward to all
>         name
>         >                                 suggestions, and we
>         appreciate anyone
>         >                                 who wishes
>         >                                 >  to participate!
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  Thanks so much,
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  Les Hazlewood
>         >                                 >  Apache JSecurity/Apache
>         >                                 Ki/Apache ??? member
>         >                                 >
>         >                                 >  [1]
>         >
>         http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>         >                                 >
>         >
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