Hi all,
>What you probably mean is that it is not a Sun backed standard, which
>is different, and also not all that important when you're dealing with
>an opensource application. Or maybe you just meant that there are
>more people using JSP, which is true.
Well, there is a dilema in itself. See, I argue the Oroin Application
Server is FAR better than any other application server. Its only $1500 per
server, its 100% JAVA, its extremely simple to setup, it supports ALL the
latest specs (already servlete 2.3 and JSP 1.2 is being incorporated into
it..well, when the PR1 is released), and it has proven to be a far faster
performer than most other app servers. However, the downside is, it is
being written by a 2-man team! Pretty darn amazing to me..but still,
because of this..its unlikely medium to large businesses are willing to
risk their company on such a product. The same thing goes for WebMacro. JSP
is a standard and is supported by the large companies and their products.
WebMacro, while it can be used as you said, by any servlet based web-site,
most companies that I can forsee would go with JSP as its backed by Sun,
IBM, Oracle and the likes.
I think its unfortanate, because in my mind, if it works and gets the job
done, and for that matter does it better, faster and more reliably than the
"standard", then why not use it. I am sure that is why I am not a business
man. ;)
>This is mainly because all your page and control logic is there in the
>JSP page, one way or another. You have to create, access, and invoke
>all the right beans, etc., whereas in WM your servlet has already done
>that.
See, now I dont agree with this. I have a header and footer that every JSP
page includes. The header and footer has some "conditional" logic in
it..but thats it. Other than that, ALL the rest of the JSP pages use a bean
for reading/writing forms, and the bean(s) do the logic. The JSP page
itself is almost entirely of HTML except where it uses the bean to display
a dynamic bit of content. I think that is why this is called Model 1.5.
Model 1 usually has JSP pages with lots of logic in it. JSP 1.5 is using
beans to do the logic, but has slight scriplet code in it.
>So if you know regular Java, you already know 99% of what you need to
>know to use WebMacro.
This goes for JSP as well. After all, scriplet code is Java code. Makes
more sense to me to use Java code in my pages than a template engine.
>In this respect, I think there are more Java programmers out there than
>there are JSP people, and advancing your pure Java skills with a language
>like Java would be the way to go :-)
I dont see how this fits? If your doing just Java, then you wouldn't be
using WebMacro either. Besides, learning JSP and JavaBeans DID advance my
knowledge of Java a bit. I dont think learning WebMacro would have done that.
Kevin Duffey
Software Engineer
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