Ray,
You appear to be interested in flaming me for anything I say, no matter
what it is. I think you have less interest in a technical discussion than
in an outright flamewar. I won't continue it anymore. Too bad because
there were some elements of an interesting discussion in there, so I
kept stringing it along hoping for a better dialogue.
For reference, I quote your post to me below, in which you claim that
PERL/Python are used only by sysadmins (and not for the web), and in
which you claim apache/sendmail are *themselves* standards because
they support standard protocols. I guess that means that my Apache
module (http://germ.semiotek.com/ticket/) is going to work just
fine under another server?
Your only reason for taking such an extreme and bizarre position
on these issues seems to be because it allows you to flame me.
I think people on this list have had enough of it.
Justin
Quoting Ray Cromwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> Justin Wells wrote:
> > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >
> > > The same thing goes for WebMacro. JSP
> > > is a standard and is supported by the large companies and their products.
> >
> > You could use the same arugment against any opensource software, and it
> > clearly hasn't stopped other technologies from succeeding. PERL is not
> > a standard, Python is not a standard, Apache is not a standard, sendmail
> > is not a standard, etc., and none of those technologies began life with
> > the backing of a major corporation. Yet they succeeded.
>
> Argument seems to work. There are few, if any, IDEs for Perl and Python.
> Are Perl and Python a success? yes, if you count sysadmins and Unix
> housekeeping scripts. As successful as C, C++, COBOL, and Visual Basic?
> Some Web consultants seem to have a worldview with heavy blinders on.
> I guess, anyone who wants something like Visual Studio for web
> programming is an idiot right? CLI and VI forever goes the battle cry!
>
> Apache *IS* a standards implementation: HTTP.
> Sendmail is a standards implementation: SMTP. Opps.
>
> > It's worth mentioning that JSP is not a standard either. Sun claims it
>
> But atleast JSP has a spec available and comes in multiple implementations.
> As a result, I can choose a highly configurable future Tomcat, or a
> very fast and optimized Caucho Resin.
>
>
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