Yup, no-OSS policy is totally non-sense n stupid. Kita developers pengen banget educate mereka tentang OSS, tapi mereka "supposedly" lebih ngerti law n poilitik daripada kita. Clients get what clients want. Mereka penganut monotheism dan cuma mo pengang 1 nomer telpon, they got it.
To be fair, ini lebih common di ms world, karna hampir semua major companies itu punya yearly MSDN universal kit, yang intinya client punya akses ke SEMUA products lengkap dengan full technical dan incident support yang mencakup dari IDE, frameworks (ORM, IoC, xUnit, DbC, extensibility, MVC, workflow, WCF, logging, security, build/deployment), tools (code-inspection, performance-test) , OS (dev dan server), database, integration-server, enterprise-security/identity server, document-management, BPM, exchange server, finance system, dan segala bahan laen yg lo butuh buat build your own little planet. Now lo butuh alasan kuat sebelom lo even think about convincing mereka tentang OSS. Sekarang Oracle juga mampu bikin universal subscription kit buat java. Potential ini yang bikin Sun accuisistion itu big news. Arguably bisa extend market java ke monotheist enterprise market. Hanya karna kita nganut polytheist, gak bisa ngharapin seluruh dunia juga mesti politheist. Masih ada orang yg percaya monotheism... foolish indeed, tapi tetep mesti diladenin 2009/6/9 abangkis <abang...@gmail.com> > > > Ah non-sense ini. Semua telco di indonesia ada opensource-nya kok. Itu > eropa yang belum kena renaissance kali ? coba cek dulu jangan-jangan > mereka masih nganggep CEO microsoft itu bill gates, makanya masih pake > satu kitab M$ doang. (devil) > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Hendry > Luk<hendrym...@gmail.com<hendrymail%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > Mas... policy no-OSS di client itu dah commonsense. Bukan hal baru > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Edward Yakop > > <e...@apache.org<efy%40apache.org>> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> 2009/6/9 Hendry Luk <hendrym...@gmail.com <hendrymail%40gmail.com>>: > >> > >> > Gw dah sering liat banyak company yang strictly nolak any OSS part > dari > >> > project yg dikerjain vendor2nya. They make it loud n clear. Terutama > >> > dari > >> > banking industry. > >> > >> Banking industry yang pakek java banyak yang pakek OSS secara lansung > >> atau tidak langsung. > >> http://www.springsource.com/customers > >> http://customers.redhat.com/category/industry/financial/ > >> http://www.pentaho.com/about/customers/ > >> > >> I can go on. > >> > >> > Law suit cuma 1 hal. Future developments n needs yang gak compatible > >> > dengan > >> > policy OSS licensenya.. itu juga laen hal. Hal yang paling expensive > >> > buat > >> > mereka juga adalah gak ada pihak yang legally responsible terhadap OSS > >> > project. Kalo productnya ada flaw... worst casenya, lo cuma dapet > >> > response > >> > dari community... "yeah, send me the patch", "I'll look at it when i > >> > feel > >> > like to", ato "dude.. its free.. for god sake just take it or leave > it. > >> > Or > >> > better, why don't you fix it and contribute something for what you > >> > get?". > >> > Kalo ada cacat, gak ada yang bisa dijadiin kambing hitam yang mereka > >> > bisa > >> > legally minta pertanggungjawaban. > >> > >> Again back to this FUD. > >> Just choose OSS project that are backed by reputable team/company or > >> even better get a support contract. > >> redhat, Spring, SUN (for mysql), jetty. > >> > >> If your statement is true, nobody will use linux. > >> > >> > Banyaak banget client yang terang2an strict no-OSS policy. Mereka > lebih > >> > prefer solusi2 official, misalnya dari IBM... yang akhirnya mereka > >> > complaint > >> > siapa bilang java murah? OS non windows juga larinya ke box Solaris > yang > >> > anything but cheap. > >> > >> citation needed. > >> > >> > Di .net in particular banyak banget client yang strict no OSS, dan > >> > nolak2in > >> > project yang mengandung NHibernate, nServiceBus, Windsor, Monorail, n > >> > stuffs. Mereka demand product yg "official" (baca: keluaran > redmond)... > >> > yang > >> > dah lengkap dari ORM, DI container, MVC dalam frameworknya. > >> > >> That's because .net OSS movement is not as matured as Java. > >> > >> > Kenapa ini lebih common di .net (daripada java)? Kenapa mereka pilih > >> > .net in > >> > first place? Because mereka lari ke .net justru karna solusi official > >> > non-OSS nya lebih gampang n murah (in fact, they're all free). > >> > >> Is it because of legacy code? > >> The team knows microsoft stack very well > >> The company already pays a support contract with microsoft > >> After all, java as a language is not newer than other Mircosoft SDK and > >> migration works cost a lot of money and risks. > >> > >> > Di pasar non-OSS kayak ginilah, keunggulan java (mix n play OSS > >> > products) > >> > justru jadi kelemahan. > >> > >> According to who? > >> > >> > Dan for all its worth, gw juga benci company2 yg ngelarang OSS.. karna > >> > hampir semua tooling favorite gw dari OSS.. Tapi alas, itu fact yg we > >> > have > >> > to live with. > >> > >> Benci is a strong word :P > >> > >> Regards, > >> Edward Yakop > > > > > >
