Larry Becker a écrit :
> Michaël,
> Looks like a good plan on the SkyJUMP+OpenJUMP+Synchronization wiki
> page. The priorities seem reasonable to me given OJ's goals. The
> decimation optimization is implicit in line: points =
> j2D.toViewCoordinates (linestring.getCoordinates()); since that just
> calls the previously modified routine.
Thanks, one of my next tasks, for sure
> Maybe (Layer layer) should be (Object contentID) in: public void
> removeLayerRenderer(Layer layer){
Seems a good idea, I'll follow this advice
I tested your fix and found one bad case :
If you cloned your task (don't know if you kept this feature in
SkyJUMP), there still may be a memory leak
Here's how I fixed it in LayerManager
// Firstly, I changed PlugInContext to WorkbenchFrame in the signature
//because I think a class in the model package should no use a class from
//plugin package (may be not important...)
public void dispose(WorkbenchFrame frame, Layerable layerable) {
// removing ALL LayerRenderers for this Layer
JInternalFrame[] internalFrames = frame.getInternalFrames();
for (int i = 0 ; i < internalFrames.length ; i++) {
JInternalFrame internalFrame = internalFrames[i];
if (internalFrame instanceof LayerViewPanelProxy) {
((LayerViewPanelProxy)internalFrame).getLayerViewPanel()
.getRenderingManager()
.removeLayerRenderer(layerable);
}
}
Michaël
>
> Larry
>
>
> On 5/21/07, *Michaël Michaud* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Hi Michaël,
> > You are one step ahead of me. I had just reached the same
> > conclusion and did the mods to remove the references and it worked.
>
> You are a step ahead of me because I still have to do the mods ;-)
> Thanks for giving classes to modify
>
> Do you know that I started to compile the mods you did in skyjump on
> http://openjump.org/wiki/show/SkyJUMP+-+OpenJUMP+Synchronization
> <http://openjump.org/wiki/show/SkyJUMP+-+OpenJUMP+Synchronization> ?
> and I did my first synchro yesterday with the union plugin...
> Maybe I'll have question if I go on with more complex improvements...
>
> Sunburned, here is a 5 minutes tutorial for heap analysis :
> http://blog.emptyway.com/2007/04/02/finding-memory-leaks-in-java-apps/
>
> Michaël
>
> > The mods are:
> >
> > In RemoveSelectedLayersPlugin:
> > public boolean execute(PlugInContext context) throws Exception {
> > remove(context, (Layerable[])
> > (context.getLayerNamePanel()).selectedNodes(
> >
> > In LayerManager:
> > public void dispose(PlugInContext context, Layerable layerable) {
> > // removing the reference to layer
> >
>
> context.getLayerViewPanel().getRenderingManager().removeLayerRenderer(layer);
> >
> > In RenderManager:
> > public void removeLayerRenderer(Layer layer){
> > contentIDToRendererMap.remove (layer);
> > }
> >
> > I'm struck by the coincidence of SS's post on rendering juxtaposed
> > with David's post.
> >
> > regards,
> > Larry Becker
> > On 5/21/07, *Michaël Michaud* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think I get it ;
> >
> > Here is what I obtained after a dump of jump's memory
> > I loaded a shapefile, I deleted it from the menu, then I made a
> > dump of
> > the the heap
> > in order to get the objects dependency graph with the jhat
> analyser :
> >
> > My 10 BasicFeatures are held in a list
> > which in turn is referenced by a Collections$SingletonMap
> > referenced by a SimpleFeatureCollectionRenderer
> > referenced by a LayerRenderer
> > referenced by a HashMap
> > referenced by the RenderingManager
> >
> > What happens is that the rendering system has a kind of cache
> > (layerToFeaturesMap in SimpleFeatureRenderer)
> > which behaviour may be revealed by the following experience :
> >
> > load a shapefile --> 50 Mo commited (data + rendering)
> > remove it --> 50 Mo commited (data + rendering)
> >
> > now
> >
> > load the shapefile --> 50 Mo commited (data + rendering)
> > pan until shapefile
> > is no more visible --> 45 Mo or so (just the data)
> > remove layer --> 10 Mo (no more data in the cache,
> memory is
> > free)
> >
> > but
> >
> > load the shapefile --> 50 Mo commited (data + rendering)
> > remove the layer --> 50 Mo
> > pan --> 50 Mo or so (cached data is
> prisonner !!)
> >
> > Hope that's help
> >
> > Michaël
> >
> >
> >
> > Sunburned Surveyor a écrit :
> >
> > > This may be a really stupid thing to suggest, but I'll
> throw it out
> > > there anyways.
> > >
> > > In JUMP there is a LayerListener interface defined. Is it
> possible
> > > that a plug-in would implement this interface in a way that
> > would hold
> > > onto a reference to a Layer object?
> > >
> > > For instance, I see that both the LayerEvent and FeatureEvent
> > classes
> > > allow you to obtain a reference to a Layer and/orLayerable. I
> > think a
> > > plug-in could [1] register itself as a LayerListener, [2]
> obtain a
> > > reference to a Layer object when it receives either a
> LayerEvent or
> > > FeatureEvent, and [3] keep a reference to the Layer object
> until the
> > > plug-in is destroyed.
> > >
> > > If the problem behavior described is inconsistent it could
> be a
> > > plug-in that is not alwaysor commonly used.
> > >
> > > This is just a suggestion. My work on the pluggable
> rendering system
> > > has demonstrated how little I know about Java programming
> in general
> > > and JUMP in particular. :]
> > >
> > > The Sunburned Surveyor
> > >
> > > On 5/21/07, *A. Craig West* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > It seems likely that there are stale references somewhere,
> > then. I
> > > remember an older version of the GridBagLayout used to
> have
> > a bug
> > > where all obljects added to it were hung onto for the life
> > of the
> > > GBL, because the remove code didn't take refernces out
> of an
> > > internal Hashtable. Has anybody tried something like
> JProbe
> > on the
> > > problem? I've had a fair amount of success with that
> in the
> > past.
> > > Conveniently, I now work for the company that wrote
> JProbe,
> > so I'm
> > > sure I can give it a go, if nobody else has...
> > > -Craig
> > >
> > > On 5/21/07, *david alejandro garcia ortega* <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I think is a problem with the code, like Larry
> says , i
> > think
> > > is possible to free memory but the gc() doesn´t
> work because
> > > there are references to the Layer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DAVID GARCIA
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > From: /"Larry Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>/
> > > Reply-To: /"List for discussion of JPP
> development and
> > > use." < jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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> > > To: /"List for discussion of JPP development and
> > use." <
> > > jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > <mailto: jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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> <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>>>/
> > > Subject: /Re: [JPP-Devel] Question?/
> > > Date: /Mon, 21 May 2007 11:55:47 -0500/
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Craig,
> > >
> > > Good point, however if you close the task
> > (project) all
> > > memory is reclaimed, so it would seem to be
> possible to
> > > reclaim it by removing a layer.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > On 5/21/07, *A. Craig West* <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do we know if this is a problem with
> references
> > being
> > > hung onto
> > > internally, or just the standard Java VM
> behavior
> > > where the Java VM
> > > normally doesn't return memory to the OS?
> > > -Craig
> > >
> > > On 5/21/07, Stefan Steiniger <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>
> wrote:
> > >> hei David,
> > >>
> > >> in case you don't know
> > >> what sometimes can help a bit is to press the
> > > "garbage collect" button
> > >> of the help/about/info tab
> > >>
> > >> but only sometimes :I
> > >>
> > >> stefan
> > >>
> > >> david alejandro garcia ortega schrieb:
> > >> > Thanks Larry i will try to find a solution to the
> > > problem.
> > >> >
> > >> > DAVID GARCIA
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >> > From: /"Larry Becker" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> > < jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> > >
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> > <mailto: jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>>>/
> > >> > To: /"List for discussion of JPP development
> > > and use."
> > >> > < jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>
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> > >> > Subject: /Re: [JPP-Devel] Question?/
> > >> > Date: /Mon, 21 May 2007 11:03:03 -0500/
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi David,
> > >> >
> > >> > Welcome to the list. That is an excellent
> > > question. I wish I had
> > >> > an answer for you, but it is one of the
> > > unsolved problems with JUMP
> > >> > (all flavors I believe). In my tests, it is
> > > not even consistent.
> > >> > Sometimes removing a layer will free most of
> > > the memory, but usually
> > >> > it will not.
> > >> >
> > >> > There have been attempts made to fix the
> > > problem in OpenJump. See
> > >> > :
> > >> >
> > >
> >
> com.vividsolutions.jump.workbench.ui.plugin.RemoveSelectedLayersPlugIn
> > >> > method remove(Layerable[]) which calls
> > >> >
> > >
> > selectedLayers[i].getLayerManager().dispose(selectedLayers[i])
> > > and
> > >> > does everything you could reasonably expect,
> > > however much of the
> > >> > memory, usually all of it, is still committed
> > > after this code runs.
> > >> >
> > >> > Apparently some plugin(s) still have references
> > > to the disposed
> > >> > layers. Probably via a listener of some kind,
> > > but no one has ever
> > >> > tracked down the problem.
> > >> >
> > >> > David, you would be doing a great service to
> > > the whole JUMP
> > >> > community if you could find the solution to
> > > this problem.
> > >> >
> > >> > regards,
> > >> > Larry Becker
> > >> >
> > >> > On 5/21/07, *david alejandro garcia ortega* <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi I am working with the source code of
> > > OpenJump and i have the
> > >> > following question:
> > >> >
> > >> > When I load a dataset(shapefile) commited
> > > memory is about
> > >> > 150Mb, then when I remove the dataset the
> > > commited memory is
> > >> > about 140Mb. Why doesn´t memory free?
> > >> >
> > >> > I want to free memory when the layer is
> > > turned invisible calling
> > >> > dispose() of layer class, and when is
> > > turned visible I load the
> > >> > featurecollection again. But this not work
> > > i can´t free memory.
> > >> > What can i do?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks, and sorry for my English i am from
> > > México.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >
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