We can turn it off for bugs reported by you, but I'm not sure "I'm
getting too many emails" is a good reason to turn it off for whole
products. These products aren't owned by you; they're community property
and it's important for them to get triaged for the benefit of everyone.
Nobody wins when Bugzilla fails to reflect an accurate state of reality.
If those products are being actively triaged by you or someone else,
that's a good reason. But if they're not, and stale bug reports and
merge requests are piling up, that's a problem that needs to be fixed,
and ignoring emails or preventing the Gardening team from doing part of
their job isn't going to fix it.
Nate
On 1/29/23 02:23, Carl Schwan wrote:
Please exclude from the bug report reminder:
koko
tokodon
kalendar
kde.org
planet.kde.org
www.kde.org
season.kde.org
KDE Mediawiki
and any bug reported by myself
as well as the following projects for the MR reminder:
koko
tokodon
kalendar
arianna
vail
arkade
basically everything in the websites namespace
and any MR created by myself
I'm getting already way too many emails and I have an hard time keeping up
with them so if I can avoid getting more of them, that would be good.
Cheers,
Carl
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Le vendredi 27 janvier 2023 à 10:56 PM, Justin Zobel <justin.zo...@gmail.com> a
écrit :
Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
Given the distribution of positive vs negative feedback, we plan to
resume automatic bug triage of old non-wishlist bugs that have not
been updated in over 2 years. If you would like to opt your product
out of this initiative because you're able to keep on top of the
manual bug triage work, please let us know and we'll be happy to
accommodate you.
Exclusions so far:
- okteta
- krita
- any bug reported by sit...@kde.org
Thanks again for the feedback!
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 6:10 PM Thomas Baumgart t...@net-bembel.de wrote:
On Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 22:39:45 CET Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote:
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, 19. Jänner 2023, 12:26:08 CET schrieb Nicolas Fella:
Am 19.01.23 um 04:04 schrieb Justin:
The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are still
relevant by involving the users who reported them in determining if
they are still valid. This increases community involvement and helps
KDE as there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review the
thousands upon thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in years.
Anecdotally many people don't like such automated changes being done to
their bugreports that don't actually engage with the content of the report.
Well, anecdotally you will mostly get feedback from people who don't like it.
Unless something is exceptionally great, few people will take the time to
speak out in favor of something that is already happening.
The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not had any
activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to reinvigorate
discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If the user
does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug is set to
NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug Janitor.
I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care is not
applied.
Properly "triaging" old reports requires at least some level of
understanding of the project, codebase etc. I'm afraid there is no
simple solution to that and rule-based approaches aren't good enough.
Even taking things like CONFIRMED status or wishlist priority into
account assumes that these have actually been consistently applied.
As a maintainer on a small project, I'm quite happy to get an occasional nudge
on old reports. Yes, I do occasionally go over old reports to see if they are
still valid, but having somebody else doing this methodically makes sure I
don't gloss over some bug that could be closed or fixed.
Having this done by someone else without too much internal knowledge is an
absolute plus in my opinion. After all, if you want to clean up your attic,
you try to find a helper who does not have the same emotional attachment as
yourself.
I will halt it until it is approved by more developers. However if it
is decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will need to
entice more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is clearly
not a priority right now for the majority.
Speaking for KPhotoAlbum, I really appreciate the bugzilla gardening. Thank
you for doing it!
I can second that for the KMyMoney project. An occasional poke and the
automated cleanup when no response arrives where it is needed helps a lot.
--
Regards
Thomas Baumgart
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