On 4/4/07, Andrew Lentvorski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bob La Quey wrote:
> On 4/4/07, Andrew Lentvorski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Besides new economic models are there to take care of the
> parasitism. I don't see Google suffering. Do you?

And they are the *only* one I see earning any money.  I see no new
economic models yet.  I see only ads.  Or, more appropriately, I *don't*
see any ads due to ad blocking.

In addition, if 100 million people per day started using Google maps
bandwidth via a mashup without hitting the ads, Google would pull the
plug pretty quick.

If people quit listening to radio because of the adds they would pull it
pretty quickly. Same for commercial TV, or if you don't like adds pay for
use etc. The economic system has all kinds of ways and models that
iron out these things.

The key question is simple enough, "Is a mashup useful enough for
somone to pay for it?" Those that are will survive. Those that are not
likely will not.

As it is experimentation in the mashup world is cheap. No doubt most
will fail. Same with all new things.

> Portability, access from any terminal. For example, gmail is turning
> out to be a
> big win for me. Beats the hell out of previous local mail client.s for me,
> especially when I travel.

I don't want access from any terminal.  I want access from *my*
terminal, but I want my terminal always with me.  I want *my* stuff *my*
way no matter what with no compromise.

I echo Stewart's sentiments that I want my laptop in a cellphone form
factor except when I want to open it and use it.

I prefer to have no stuff of my own. Different strokes. One reason is
that I am a type to lose stuff. Stuff is easier to steal than services.

> latency on pipes between EC2 instances or storage latency.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Amazon has been exhibiting widely variable latencies and bandwidths to
any endpoint under their control.  Several companies pulled back from
using EC2 as primary compute or S3 as primary storage because of that.

They have adjusted to use S3 as effectively a fast, online backup that
holds data that they might need, but don't have to get to very fast.

> Do you have numbers or a reference? I would like to know.

http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/30/amazon-s3-outages-slowdowns-and-problems/

Actually, his blog stuff isn't bad even if it's a bit cheerleady:
http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/

> I guess I will have to go looking for latency and EC2.

I also saw something else, but I don't remember completely.  I was
looking at doing some streaming from EC2 but found some latency numbers
that kinda sucked.

-a


Thanks for the latency links. I will check them out.

BobLQ


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