Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Niall Pemberton wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Roland Weber wrote:
Are there any additional criteria on the labs side for being promoted?
Most probably, there would be a vote. Anything else?
The vote on [EMAIL PROTECTED] might suffice.
The Labs Bylaws _seem_ to require a vote by
the Labs PMC to change the state of a lab:
http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
The Labs PMC can change the state of a lab with a majority vote.
On the other hand, the same Bylaws say:
The lab PI can change the state of the lab from active
to idle and back at any time, just by updating the descriptor.
So not all state changes require a vote here. I'd say that
the state change to Promoted is one of those that don't
require a vote by the Labs PMC.
I disagree. It's a question of oversight, which is what the PMC does.
IMO
there needs to be a PMC vote if the status of oversight is to change,
and
Promotion, as I understand it, is exactly that. Once promoted, a lab
is no
longer under the purview of the Labs PMC, and it should require a PMC
vote
to make such a change.
I agree with Roland and Santiago, if a lab gets accepted by the
incubator then I don't see any point in holding a vote here.
Let me put the chair hat on and let me say that the bylaws are somewhat
screwed in that regard (which I can say since I wrote them).
The assumption was that PIs would find it easier to work here in labs
than to go thru the process of incubation and that the incubator would
not have any problem accepting a labling as a podling.
But the current state is different: the PI wants the promotion and he's
afraid that incubator might refuse.
Speaking for Vysper, I have some personal exit criteria (whether they
would be overruled by the Labs PMC or not):
o One committer is not enough to go into incubation
o I'd like to see at least
* two permanently contributing ASF committers (better 3)
- or -
* one permanently contributing ASF committer plus 2 other
contributors (ASF committer or not)
In latter case, traffic on labs@ would be high enough to annoy people
and the project better moved on to some place where it would have a
distinct mailing list (incubator) and where outside contributors could
become committers eventually.
So, let's do it like this:
1) we can vote on whether or not we want the lab to be proposed to
incubation here, this should be a lazy binding PMC vote and just a heads
up from the lab PI
2) then the lab PI will go to the incubator asking for a podling and
telling them that he/she has the Lab PMC support (with the vote above)
3) once the lab exits and the incubated project starts, we automatically
change the state to 'promoted' (no need for another vote).
what do you say?
+1, but not right now for Vysper, let's still wait.
Bernd
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