Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
What would we be actually voting on?
I'm not trying to be difficult.
It just seems that if the PI wants to approach the Incubator, he or she
should. Maybe this is some sort of vote just indicating support?
Right.
The PI says "hey, I think I'm ready to incubate my lab, what do you
think?" and we say "hmm, yeah" or "nah, you need this and that" with
lazy consensus.
Basically, this process needs to start somewhere and I wouldn't want a
PI to just ask incubator on his/her own without the labs pmc knowing
about it.
geir
On May 13, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Niall Pemberton wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Roland Weber wrote:
Are there any additional criteria on the labs side for being
promoted?
Most probably, there would be a vote. Anything else?
The vote on [EMAIL PROTECTED] might suffice.
The Labs Bylaws _seem_ to require a vote by
the Labs PMC to change the state of a lab:
http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
The Labs PMC can change the state of a lab with a majority vote.
On the other hand, the same Bylaws say:
The lab PI can change the state of the lab from active
to idle and back at any time, just by updating the descriptor.
So not all state changes require a vote here. I'd say that
the state change to Promoted is one of those that don't
require a vote by the Labs PMC.
I disagree. It's a question of oversight, which is what the PMC
does. IMO
there needs to be a PMC vote if the status of oversight is to
change, and
Promotion, as I understand it, is exactly that. Once promoted, a lab
is no
longer under the purview of the Labs PMC, and it should require a
PMC vote
to make such a change.
I agree with Roland and Santiago, if a lab gets accepted by the
incubator then I don't see any point in holding a vote here.
Let me put the chair hat on and let me say that the bylaws are
somewhat screwed in that regard (which I can say since I wrote them).
The assumption was that PIs would find it easier to work here in labs
than to go thru the process of incubation and that the incubator would
not have any problem accepting a labling as a podling.
But the current state is different: the PI wants the promotion and
he's afraid that incubator might refuse.
So, let's do it like this:
1) we can vote on whether or not we want the lab to be proposed to
incubation here, this should be a lazy binding PMC vote and just a
heads up from the lab PI
2) then the lab PI will go to the incubator asking for a podling and
telling them that he/she has the Lab PMC support (with the vote above)
3) once the lab exits and the incubated project starts, we
automatically change the state to 'promoted' (no need for another vote).
what do you say?
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