>> Maybe there are 3 committers to make a release, but after the release
>> the project is more or less mature because the codebase is very small.
>> Does this really justify to go TLP, just to make a release, make a
>> full-blown website, etc.? I don't think so.

> What is it that RAT, or these other projects need, that Labs doesn't
> give you?  releases?  mailing lists? websites?  If a project *really*
> needs those things, then it's big enough for a TLP.  If not, then can't
> it just stay in Labs?

>From an users point of view:
Labs is a project were apache people just try out things. I don't
expect the code to be working correct at all. I look at labs if I want
to check about what are people thinking of. Sometimes I look into the
code to see how things work. But I never would include labs source
into my own project out of the box.
If RAT would be in labs, I would think its not stable, just a proof  of concept.

If RAT would have a release at gems.apache.org or somewhere else, I
would think that this is a serious project. That my bugs get heard
(hopefully). That somebody on the mailinglist will answer, even if its
a small component. It would feel like "commons.apache.org".

I don't think the labs are a place were a stable codebase can draw
much attention from users.

Cheers,
Christian

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