On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Ross Gardler <[email protected]>wrote:
> On 29 September 2011 11:16, Bernd Fondermann > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 03:00, David Crossley <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Bernd Fondermann wrote: > >>> Ross Gardler wrote: > >>> > Mladen Turk wrote: > >>> >> Graham Leggett wrote: > >>> >>> Mladen Turk wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> Make sure lab projects can make releases. > >>> >>>> The reason for no releases policy is a mystery to me and > >>> >>>> it actually forced me to move one of my projects from > >>> >>>> labs to sourceforge. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> The reason for "no releases" is that if you want to make releases, > you > >>> >>> should be in the incubator. > >>> >> > >>> >> And for the incubator you need a community > >>> > > >>> > No you don't. You need mentors and a champion (shouldn't be hard for > >>> > anyone who is already an ASF committer). You need a desire to build > >>> > community. You do not need a community, the incubator is there to > >>> > incubate community, not code: > >>> > > >>> > "The Apache Incubator has two primary goals: > >>> > > >>> > Ensure all donations are in accordance with the ASF legal standards > >>> > Develop new communities that adhere to our guiding principles" > >>> > >>> Although, to be honest, no-community proposals have been turned down in > the > >>> past. > >> > >> Apache PhotArk (incubating) started with one person. > > > > Yes, I wasn't claiming that /all/ such proposals were turned down, but > > /some/ definitively were. > > PhotArk is a special case because AFAIR it was started by an ASF > > member and other ASF committers immediately joined. > > Exactly, to restate what I originally said (and is still above): > > >>> > You need mentors and a champion (shouldn't be hard for > >>> > anyone who is already an ASF committer). You need a desire to build > >>> > community. You do not need a community, the incubator is there to > >>> > incubate community, not code: > > The fact that some third party outside the ASF might be refused from > the incubator is irrelevant since that person can't come into labs > either. > > It seems to me that much of the desire to change the Labs is driven by > a fundamental misunderstanding of why Labs was created and what > function it has in relation to the incubator. I *still* haven't heard > anyone address this with concrete suggestions that do not simply > duplicate what is already available in the incubator. > > IIRC that has been discussed and explained already, but there are now far to many threads and emails on the subject to make that easy to find without hunting about for ages in all the emails. But to summarize - the Incubator is about learning how to build communities whereas labs is about innovating/experimenting without the burden of community building. What some of us are suggesting is that while innovating/experimenting you may want to do a release. ...ant
