>> It seems to me that much of the desire to change the Labs is driven by
>> a fundamental misunderstanding of why Labs was created and what
>> function it has in relation to the incubator. I *still* haven't heard
>> anyone address this with concrete suggestions that do not simply
>> duplicate what is already available in the incubator.

Well, form the list I wrote in this thread this is left from what I
want for labs:

- Labs is open for all kind of ideas; even plugins for existing
projects, when asf people have no karma to the specific project.

> But to summarize  - the Incubator
> is about learning how to build communities whereas labs is about
> innovating/experimenting without the burden of community building. What some
> of us are suggesting is that while innovating/experimenting you may want to
> do a release.

It seems 3 binding Lab-PMC votes are not enough for a release. If
there are 3 people interested in the lab being released, the lab is
ready for the incubator. (looking at William Rowes email from 02.09.
// dd.MM.)

Instead, personal releases without the Apache $x trademarks are
possible. If the requirements for such a personal release are
somewhere noted in the FAQ, it would be fine for me.

To summarize my hopefully concrete enough suggestions:

- Open Labs to any idea from any committer (even when there is a
project sandbox for that idea)
- Add a guide how to make personal releases on the labs side

That would probably increase inter-project collaboration.

Cheers
Christian

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