Hi Liz and Annette and Spiders! I agree with you completely! The only reason for doing Flanders or Paris before Binche is to take it in baby steps. But is is simply not necessary to work yards (or even inches) of baby steps before moving on. It makes sense to practice particular snowflakes if you haven't done them before, prior to incorporating them into a large piece. But the fact is, that if you are working continuous lace, the first two or three inches can be your "practice" and can be cut off later.
I has made my "worm bandages" and a couple of simple Torchon bookmarks when I decided I needed to start some Bucks edgings to use on the Christening Gowns for two grandsons who were on their way. I began the Bucks two months after starting lacemaking, and made four yards of edging in the next nine months. But I must tell you, if I were to make that lace again now, it would look a great deal different! But that is fine, because of all the lace I've made, those first two pieces are the most significant and have the most treasured "homes" of all! Clay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Beecher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'apcdlally'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lace arachne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: RE: [lace] Lace precursers > Annette > > Don't get me going on this one - ok I will. > > When I finally found a lace teacher she informed the class that before we > could make anything we had to make worm bandages - Ok, so she didn't call > them that but that is what they were - we spent 3 weeks just making long > thin lengths of whole stich or half stich. > > I found a small beds pattern I wanted to make and was told that it would be > 'ages, simply ages' before I could attempt it. > > So, I made torchon samplers for 6 months. > > Then I got fed up and went out and bought a few good books and instead of > making a small piece of beds I taught myself honiton. > > So, 6 months after never having made lace before I was on honiton. > > OK, so some people just don't master certain types of lace but for those who > can then they should be allowed to try everthing. > > Since then, I have been taught how to train people, as part of my job, > speciallising in training people with learning difficulties. > > So now, I know that is what is really important that people see that they > are creating something that has meaning - this gives a point to their > learning - so I always start off with the Springett snake, when teaching, > because when they have done that they know how to whole stitch and have > something more interesting than a worm bandage. > > And when I'm asked - can I do this - I always say, Ok, lets look at the > pattern and see what you know and what we need to practice or learn first > and get them to identify the elements of the pattern - this gives them buyin > to the learning. If they have the techniques then off they go - if not then > I get them to practice the stitch or element that they don't have yet. > Works for me. > > Regards > > Liz Beecher > > -----Original Message----- > From: apcdlally [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 August 2003 00:45 > To: lace arachne > Subject: [lace] Lace precursers > > > On Sunday, August 3, 2003 Bridget wrote: > > > However I must persevere, as I have booked for a Binche course in > > February, and everybody says you need to grasp Flanders first. > > OK, Now you've really got me going! > > Surely, in the past all these different laces, being regional variations on > a theme, were taught without the lace student having ANY knowledge of lace > at all. Laceworkers in one village/lace school or whatever would not have > been exposed to other laces first. > > It is quite possible for anyone to learn any lace without learning other > laces first. > > I make and teach Honiton and I am getting SO frustrated that other > lacemakers here will tell prospective students, both at demonstrations and > at guild meetings, (and often in front of me) that before they can learn > Honiton they must first do Torchon, Beds and Bucks. > > Not so. > > If you live in Devon - do you learn Torchon before you learn Honiton? of > course you don't. > I thought that this was a problem peculiar to Australia and to Honiton but > apparently it happens in other parts of the world and with other laces too. > > So Bridget, go for it, do what you want to do and not what "everybody says" > Just enjoy your lace. > > PS. Are there any of the Devon lace teachers on this list? I could do with > some advice. Please respond off list. 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