Not to be misunderstood: The 500 swiss francs were only ment for the
material, not the work. This woman "earned" about 3000 franc for her
work - in the 80th !!! It was much money than and would be more today,
but despite of the money and despite of the time she took to make it,
she was not able to fulfill all wishes. The article says that people
wanted to marry in traditional clothes, they had to wait about a year or
so till the cap was made.
Even today I don't think money is the problem - there are always people
who are willing and able to spend much money for things the really want
to get - but find them.

Silver: yes, it was used - not so much in these caps, but  for church
lace and we got many pieces from L'viv.

About Klosterarbeiten: You can see that it is a special (only) catholic
tradition. It has many and different techniques, not only to do with
lace, but also making little Baby Jesus of wax, forming flowers, sewing
clothes and so on - many complicated things. I don't have anything to do
with it, but I believe, besides beeing a tradition (mostly in southern
Germany and Austria - catholic countries),  it is a way to show and
practise very different talents. A friend of mine started it out of
curiosity, although we agreed, "actually it is Kitsch" and as not beeing
catholic not relating to it. 

Gabriele

-----Original Message-----
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:39:33 +0100
Subject: Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit
From: Avital <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]

Gabriele,

> IF he calls, you should let him know what Mrs Selb tells about making
> traditional hats: it took about 350 + x hours for a traditional cap.
May
> be this is a bigger piece of lace - there is still the question of
> getting the material, learning how to do it, coming to a skill that
> allows you to sell your work (I know what I am talking about) and
> finding peaople willing to pay for all this. If I remember correctly,
> Mrs Selb wrote the material for a cap was about 500 swiss francs in
the
> 1980th - I think she talks about gold wire and not brass.

I think the area of lace is similar, although a tallit collar would be
much more dense. The traditional hats are very airy and lace-like. The
traditional Spanier arbeit collars are so dense that they're described
as "scale-like." If Arthur has to pay a worker the equivalent of 500
Swiss francs, he's not going to make much profit.

Just out of curiosity, is silver ever used? Or just gold and brass?

> flat metal wire - I don't know the english term for it) is usually
used
> for church lace and what is called "Klosterarbeiten" -  difficult to
> explain, see the google-fotos:
>
http://www.google.de/images?q=Klosterarbeiten&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=OplaTerxII3ysgb_i6WVBg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CEMQsAQwAA

I had never heard of Klosterarbeiten before and it was difficult to
see what the technique was. I found this blog posting and am posting
it for everyone else's benefit. Klosterarbeiten seems to be a
combination of gold wirework and embroidery.

http://marthajeanne.blogspot.com/2009/01/klosterarbeiten.html

It's always interesting to hear about different crafts!

Avital
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