Marco van de Voort schrieb:
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:25:25AM +0200, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
For writing programs you need some editor and an compiler/linker, e.g. a Lazarus IDE which runs on a variety of systems. Then students can learn how to use a console (window) for program I/O in about 1 hour, sufficient for the following introduction and practice in "The Art of Computer Programming" [Knuth].

Either your students were different, or that is very optimistic :)

Yes, I was thinking of IT students. Sorry for that :-(

In this class, all this simply ate too much time, and even after students
were ackward with it. And it was only 9 x 1.5 hr, then an hour is still too
much.

Then a good ole homecomputer (C64 emulator...) would be more useful ;-)


Creating and using a GUI can become a detached course, covering both the general GUI design principles and how to master event driven applications.

My point was that TP was too alien, and the tricks to keep it running
prevented it for students to run it on their own laptop.

ACK

Delphi on the other hand invited too much play.

This energy could be used in extra (voluntary) courses, where the interested can learn more about using Delphi.

The ideal usage IMHO would be a stripped lazarus/Delphi without designer,
and some skeleton application under "new" that instantiates a skeleton GUI
app (delivered in .ppu), and the students can use procedures from their
programs to use the skeleton units.

In your timeframe (9*1.5 hrs) I wouldn't address GUI programs at all.

DoDi


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