On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:22:50PM +0200, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > > Either your students were different, or that is very optimistic :) > > Yes, I was thinking of IT students. Sorry for that :-(
Sadly enough they were, though not the highest level (aimed for bachelor as end-diploma). But since it was their first weeks at the school, one could consider them secondary school students still. Extremely playful, and interested in anything but work. > > In this class, all this simply ate too much time, and even after students > > were ackward with it. And it was only 9 x 1.5 hr, then an hour is still too > > much. > > Then a good ole homecomputer (C64 emulator...) would be more useful ;-) Same problem as with an Dos emulator for TP. Concepts too alien, install troubles etc. I was actually flabbergasted by how little pre existing knowledge/experience the avg student understood of the console concept. And that was in 2005-7, now it will be even less. > > Delphi on the other hand invited too much play. > > This energy could be used in extra (voluntary) courses, where the > interested can learn more about using Delphi. This energy does not exist outside mandatory classes :-) > > The ideal usage IMHO would be a stripped lazarus/Delphi without designer, > > and some skeleton application under "new" that instantiates a skeleton GUI > > app (delivered in .ppu), and the students can use procedures from their > > programs to use the skeleton units. > > In your timeframe (9*1.5 hrs) I wouldn't address GUI programs at all. I don't, that is exactly the point. But I would have wanted something the students recognized as an IDE (read GUI app) that is hardwired to generate a visual app, without iniviting students to do things beyond their assignment. Later, when they are properly potty-trained they can still graduate Even if that is only an inmutable skeleton with a memo for input and output. -- _______________________________________________ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus