On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote:
> Ray Olszewski wrote:
> > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the
> > important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on
> > this thread.
>
> I'd like to speak up myself. I would also like to echo those
> sentiments: silence does not imply my assent.
Amen.
> > My personal goal is to respond in a way that lets me feel OK about living
> > with myself. This is, for lack of a better word, a moral concern, not a
> > political one. As I've said in other contexts, one cannot control the world,
> > but one can at least try to control one's own reaction to the world.
>
> In a sense, this too is my perspective. I can control my own
> responses; he has his opinions and certainly has never made them
> secret. When I started reading his shell code and seeing how he
> signed his name..... that was one of the first things I changed in my
> distro...
>
> As distasteful as his views may be, it is not my place to pass
> judgement (difficult though that may be at times). In the End, he
> will not be judged by any of us. He will have to answer for his own
> actions, and not any one else's; same thing for us.
Amen.
> Pi van Riezen said:
> > I think you cannot
> > criticize a _project_ for having political bias and/or a political agenda.
> > Free Software itself is inherently political; Its political nature is the
> > very ground that is being attacked so violently these days by the
> > Microsoft FUD machines.
>
> I disagree. It is one of its founders, Richard Stallman, who is quite
> political. If you compare GNU founder Richard Stallman to the style
> and substance of one of Open Source's leading spokesmen today - Eric
> Raymond - there is quite a stark contrast between the two.
I think Free Software and Open Source represent themselves with different
sobriquets for this reason, so no, it is not just RMS.
> Charles Steinkuehler said:
> > I am un-subscribing myself from the lists at linuxrouter.org, and will
> > direct users of my disk images to use the LEAF site/lists, which I will
> > remain subscribed to.
>
> It is likely that I will follow suit. It is not likely that I would
> sign on to a letter that condemns Dave; as I have said, it is not my
> place to judge him; there is another Judge that will do that.
History will wash over all of us like sandcastles on a beach, whether a
higher judge passes sentence on us or not. I just hope Dave C doesn't do
too much damage to the world in his time.
> I have been going over this quite a bit, and trying to find what I
> want to say. I don't feel I am able to pass judgement on others; I AM
> able to choose what forums I will take part in and which I will not.
> So I'll be on LEAF-Users shortly and not on LRP.
Letting him be what he is, and say what he thinks, may prevent his anger
from being bottled up. But I would rather float away from him than be
caught in his waves, regardless of what he becomes... a discontented
spirit, or another McVeigh. Since he did make his statement publically, I
hope the former is more likely.
I normally think in terms of "live-and-let-live", but his abuse of the
website struck me as a form of terrorism, and I don't believe in
negotiating with terrorists. I think I may have squatted in his yard too
long now, so it is time to leave it.
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