thanks people for your replies.

tommorow I'm going to check out my options to solve this problem

Met vriendelijke groet,

Joris Kempen
St. Ursulahof 47
5995 CB Kessel 

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Newmiller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:54 PM
>To: Ray Olszewski
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [leaf-user] FTP and IP-NAT
>
>
>On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Ray Olszewski wrote:
>
>> 
>> This is a new one to me. I hope someone else will turn out 
>to be familiar 
>> with it and post a simple solution, but I wouldn't count on 
>it. (I waited 
>> awhile before replying, in this hope.)
>
>New to me, too.
>
>> I am reasonably sure that IP-NAT is just a slightly more 
>exact synonym for 
>> NAT. At least every reference I could find used it that way. 
>I assume you 
>> know what the ordinary meaning of NAT is.
>> 
>> I can't find any reference to the use of port 864 in 
>connection with NAT or 
>> IP-NAT (or ftp). Just "opening" it is unlikely to help you 
>much; something 
>> on your router or LAN will need either to send from that 
>port or listen on 
>> it -- or maybe accept input *from* it; the advice you report 
>getting is so 
>> sketchy that it is hard to guess. The admin's advice doesn't include 
>> telling you what his site uses the port for, and I can't find any 
>> indication that the use is anything established by any 
>standard ... or at 
>> least nothing connected to NAT or ftp.
>
>It is possible that they have configured their server to accept ftp
>control connections on port 864, but I don't see how they could do that
>without Joris' knowledge and still end up using active ftp.  
>That is, if
>Joris was accessing the ftp server by clicking on a link in a 
>browser, he
>might never know they had changed the control connection port.
>
>ip_masq_ftp monitors all outgoing connections to port 21 and munges the
>information about which ip address and port the server can use 
>to make an
>"active" data connection back to your box.  If you need to 
>connect to ftp
>servers on port 864, then in /etc/modules, change the following line
>
>  ip_masq_ftp
>
>to
>
>  ip_masq_ftp ports=21,864
>
>and if that fixes the problem then backup modules.lrp.
>
>> (The only references to port 864 that I was able to track 
>down are in RFC 
>> 768, where 864-UDP is associated with a service called 
>"Discard", and with 
>> connection to ypserv, which also runs on 864-UDP. You may 
>need to find out 
>> what the site expects to receive or send from or to that port.)
>> 
>> So ... if someone else jumps in here with an easy answer, 
>that's terrific. 
>> If no one does ... then you may be the first one to run into 
>a new problem 
>> that we (and Linux-NAT users generally) need to work out a 
>solution for. In 
>> that case, the more information you can provide, the better.
>
>Yes indeed... in particular, a sample of the exact firewall 
>error messages
>involved (from /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog) could be helpful.
>
>> The other possibility is that this use of port 864 is some 
>oddity specific 
>> to the particular ftp site. I've seen a few other cases 
>recently where 
>> admins of ftp sites did something short-sighted that caused 
>problems for 
>> connections from firewalled sites, and in such cases, there 
>is really no 
>> sensible fix other than letting the admin know that it is 
>his problem to 
>> fix, not yours.
>> 
>> I'm sorry this reply isn't more helpful, and I do hope that 
>someone else 
>> who recognizes the problem from your description will 
>respond with more 
>> information.
>> 
>> At 01:23 PM 9/21/02 +0200, Joris Kempen wrote:
>> >Hi people,
>> >
>> >I talked with the admin of the ftp site.
>> >
>> >and he told me that port 864 is needed for IP NAT.
>> >
>> >Can I just open port 864?
>> >
>> >I have DachStein & Echowall, how do I open this port 864.
>> >
>> >Any links maybe that tell me (in easy language:) what 
>IP-NAT exactly is..
>> >
>> >Thanks..
>> >
>> >Met vriendelijke groet,
>> >
>> >Joris Kempen
>> >St. Ursulahof 47
>> >5995 CB Kessel
>> >
>> >email:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >tel. nr.:  06 1257 4228
>> >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf 
>Of Joris Kempen
>> > >Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:14 AM
>> > >To: Leaf (E-mail)
>> > >Subject: [leaf-user] FTP and IP-NAT
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >HI people,
>> > >
>> > >I have a Dachstein router with EchoWall and SSH on it.
>> > >
>> > >I try connecting to a FTP server and get this message:
>> > >
>> > >error message: "501 you are on a LAN and the IP-NAT is not
>> > >translating your
>> > >IP address correctly"
>> > >
>> > >I didn't have this problem before with this server, so i
>> > >assume they changed
>> > >something.
>> > >
>> > >What do I need to change in my router to prevent this problem?
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> -------------------------------------------"Never tell me 
>the odds!"--------
>> Ray Olszewski                                        -- Han Solo
>> Palo Alto, California, USA                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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