He figured more than Nunez.  He brought in short term loanees, of whom only 
Bannan improved us - and he didn't play. I blame Grayson for that. Kilkenny 
started loads for us. He was a first team player.

Depends on perspective - you see experienced midfield hard man, I see old never 
has been seeing out his career at the only big club he could get. Hope he does 
well but don't believe he will. 

Hey, I thought we had a good hungry young squad last year. I've never liked 
bates but Its only this summer that the harm he is doing to the club came into 
the sharpest of focus for me. It will to you soon. 31 August is a month into 
the season.

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jul 2011, at 13:00, m...@leeds-united.net wrote:

> Kilkenny was not first choice. He was too lightweight. Grayson bought in 
> spurs/villa reserves to take his place at the end of the season.
> 
> Kilkenny gets a deal at bristol not a better deal. Why didn't a prem club 
> come in for him?
> 
> Michael Brown experienced midfield hardman not better?? I was delighted to 
> get him. The back 4 might get some protection now.
> 
> You are blinded by the fact you hate bates and find fault with everything.
> 
> You talked about all our players walking... Who?? Out of favour midfielder, 
> keeper sold against his will and johnson who was a first teamer but went off 
> to a higher league.
> 
> I can't see this bates inspired exodus. 
> 
> Gradel becchio howson snodgrass all still here. 
> 
> I can see insufficient new recruits to push on but its a competitive market 
> and we have till 31st of August to buy.
> 
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:20:55 
> To: Matt Anderson<m...@leeds-united.net>
> Cc: <markbu...@aol.com><markbu...@aol.com>; 
> <leedslist@gn.apc.org><leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Another
> 
> Stop being obtuse.
> 
> Kilkenny, Johnson and Schmeical were all first team players. You can 
> criticise their ability all you like but that's the fact. You could say 
> something negative about any football player alive
> 
> Messi - too small
> Snodgrass - no pace
> Gradel - small, greedy, impetuous
> 
> Another fact is that we haven't replaced these players with like or better. 
> In other words, we're going backwards. The fact that Kilkenny gets a better 
> deal at Bristol speaks volumes.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Jul 2011, at 09:57, "Matt Anderson" <m...@leeds-united.net> wrote:
> 
>> Like who?  Bradley Johnson walked to go to the premier league for premier
>> league wages.  He was hardly Messi.  I suspect those sat behind the goal
>> might breathe a sigh of relief as another 40 yard shot sails 30 feet over
>> the bar
>> 
>> Kilkenny went to err.... bristol city. Great!
>> 
>> Schmeichel was sold and its clear by Grayson's remarks he didn't rate him.
>> 
>> Last season Beckford left to go to one of the most famous clubs in England,
>> to play in the premier league to challenge for a Europe place, to secure his
>> financial future.
>> 
>> Who are all these players that have walked out? Have I missed something??
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: 29 July 2011 08:38
>> To: Matt Anderson
>> Cc: markbu...@aol.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
>> Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Another
>> 
>> Because of what he says in his programme notes and all his interviews.
>> Because we don't sign anyone who's any good and because our players keep
>> walking.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 23:33, Matt Anderson <m...@leeds-united.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> How do we know he isn't? Snodgrass hasn't gone. He was the most 
>>> saleable asset
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 21:30, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It would put pressure on him to pay the going rate.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 21:18, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It would show how much our wage structure is holding us  back, and 
>>>>>>> reign
>>>>> in Ridsdale esque spenders in the league. Do you think it  would be 
>>>>> a bad thing then? <<
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, it would be excellent. But I don't see how it would affect 
>>>>> Bates.  He's not breaking the bank on transfers or wages. That's 
>>>>> what such rules are designed to enforce. Overspenders like Ridsdale* 
>>>>> would be stopped. Bates would get a pat on the back!
>>>>> 
>>>>> * See also: Birmingham City. Expect them to start the season on  -10pts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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