Thanks for the advice, but I already had my coffee this morning.
I have plenty of "real world" experience and am under no illusions about the way things work, in many business settings and in life thank you. Doesn't mean I don't speak out against the things I see as wrong. Though I do not understand the premise for your second sentence. I don't recall saying anyone is out to get us, did I? I said WE don't do the business very well. My belief is that valuation is based, at least in part on marketing strategy to create demand and doing everything possible to put yourself in the strongest possible bargaining position, to get the best price possible. If and when that still doesn't work then so be it; however, don't stack the deck against yourself from the start.. Simple as that. There are, as you, rightly say other factors involved, some of which are beyond a club's control.. All the more reason to control the parts you can control. If Healey still fetches only 1.5 million while lesser lights around him are fetching more, then there's no room for argument but to do yourself no favours from the start and then say we got all we could is a bit disingenuous.. Your claim was that the way Bates' does business was, somehow a plus in your eyes.. I pointed out that while he may have found a way to cheat several people out of money, he owed and may, yet get away with it, his general running of the club was obviously not very successful on any level, as he'd amassed more debt at a time when he claimed to be reducing it and that he did not, for all his words and promises have a very good record in the transfer market.. Why does that make me a dreamer and unable to grasp the real world of business. He continually criticizes the leeches of the business but his behaviour ranks he himself as one of the major parasites.. So the company you supplied went into administration, having misappropriated their VAT collections and accrued massive mysterious debts, owed to mysterious off-shore companies with whom the owner had had strong ties, which then mysteriously dissolved just prior to administration. Their administration lasted just 20 minutes and was not actually announced until the owner had bought back the business, for a ludicrously low offer, with those self same debtors claiming to have waved their debts and vowing to block any other bid, whatever the amount?... Now that sounds like an everyday occurrence to me, well at least in your own fantasy world. Yes companies have problems and use the tool of administration to help them through a bad time. That's not the issue. It is the circumstances of the individual case. . You are correct in your assertion that many businesses and likewise numerous football clubs (did I mention accountants and administrators?) are run by less than ethical and sometime crooked people. What's your point. When we see it, or more to the point when the authorities see it, we/they should stand by and let it happen? Or only when it is OUR club involved? Does that make me some sort of moral guardian or spoilsport? There are plenty of people, who know me would roll around in fits of laughter to hear me described that way.. One minute you are telling me I'm paranoid and believing "everyone is out to get one over on us" the next you tell me I'm living in a dream world where everything is "ethically perfect" and I don't realize what a cut-throat business we operate in and how everyone is in it for the money. A wee bit contradictory, no? Maybe it is you who needs to clear your sinuses or add an extra spoonful to the filter, before your reply, in future! _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LU] Wage deferrals - Healy + who? Of course it's speculation. Same as your speculation about the value of Healey is based on nothing more than your own belief that someohow, everyone is out to get one over on us. My speculation is based on real-world business experience, no more. And football is a business. A company going into administration, wiping out its debts and carrying on as before is an everyday occurrence. I supply to a company that did just that a few years ago. Football is only really different to any other business in that it has "fans", and is run like a gentlemen's club, where all the members are gangsters. Fans are passsionate and prejudiced. Most of the people involved aren't. In it for the money, all of 'em. You seem to be dreaming of a world where everything in football is ethically perfect and morally correct. Wake up and smell the coffee. Mark _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. Leedslist mailing list [email protected] http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist Join The Leeds United Supporters Trust at www.lufctrust.org
