Eric
I would argue that Richard brought color into the argument by
specifically targeting "Africans" in his original post. Who are these
"Aricans" if not the black people of the continent? I do not believe
that you can separate the two. Even people from North Africa are
treated as black by europeans.
But lets leave it at that. I do not want to get into a fight with
anybody about this. I am just a bit pissed off with all the sniping
from europe from the minute it was announced that South Africa would be
hosting the cup. The majority of visitors at the games have said that
in the stadiums, the "noise" of the vuvuzelas is not the problem it
comes across on TV. Thousands of fans from other countries have bought
the horns and are merrily blowing them at the games, so it can't all be
bad. (sorry!) The vuvuzela is a loud bastard and you don't want anyone
blowing it directly in your ear, but the moaning about the vuvuzela is
becoming more irritating than the actual thing itself.
I am interested to hear Richards "diluted" arguments tho'
Greg
Eric B wrote:
Greg,
I didnt think of Richards comments are racist until you mentioned it.
Thats OK, but dont forget you brought the color in this.
In this case that fucking horn they re blowing is annoying, even
watching the games on telly. Its really that simple, its not about the
color
of the blower, color of the horn or any other color. Forgive us for
being annoyed with this and bless the other organizers for not having
these horns.
I too was baffled by Richards "diluted" comment but hey, I wasnt in
his head when he wrote it, so I ll refrain from guessing.
Eric
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Greg Adams <[email protected]> wrote:
Because Africa is black, the vast majority of Africans are black. And
because by far the majority of people who play, watch and run the game in
Africa are black! The vuvuzela was used by black people at football stadiums
where the majority of supporters are black. It is only very recently that
the vast majority of white South Africans - who are mainly rugby union
supporters - have taken to the vuvuzela. You might think (delude yourself?)
that when you say African you don't mean black, but African people know that
when people say African, they mean black. I have lived in South Africa a
long time, and I can guarantee you that any black man or woman in this
country will tell you the same. It is born of a long history of colonialism
and slavery by - amongst others - european settlers. You cannot distinguish
between black and African in this context. Pathetic? I don't think so.
But it is your second paragraph that intrigues me most. Would you care to
explain how does football values get diluted by the competition being given
to an African country? Just what are these values you are talking about?
And who gets to decide what these values are?
I have been on the list for a long time, and I don't recall you saying
anything about football values being compromised when the WC was held in
Japan and Korea. Or Germany for that matter. So what do you expect me to
think?
Just to clarify : I am not saying that you are a racist ( I don't know you
well enough to judge), but I am saying that your statement could be
construed as being racist in its content. I certainly picked it up that
way.
Greg
Richard Walker wrote:
Greg,
I said I wouldn't expect anything else from the Africans. So that means
'AFRICANS' I.e the people who play the game, the people who watch the game
and the people who run the game. Why the fuck bring colour into it ?
Pathetic!
Just to clarify my point I was implying that football vlues as we know
them are being diluted by giving the biggest competition in the world to
countries like South Africa. Yes it's a world cup but that doesn't mean I
have to like it.
Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Jun 2010, at 22:04, Greg Adams <[email protected]> wrote:
Richard Walker wrote:
<snip>
I wouldn't have expected anything else from the Africans .
So, tell us richard, do you include the white africans in this? Or only
the black ones?
Sounds like a racist statement to me.
And anyway, if you took the time to look, you'll see lots of supporters in
the colors of other teams blowing on these horns.
The vast majority of the visiting supporters have said that the vuvuzela
actually adds to the atmosphere in the stadium, and you cant walk anywhere
without seeing Brazilians, Mexicans, Africans, Asians and yes, even pale
faced europeans with the horns.
So lets see, the tournament has started, the stadiums are all complete, no
white women have been raped by big black men with huge horns (pun intended),
no young (white) kids have been hacked to death, so what shall we moan
about? Oh yes, the noise from the vuvuzela.
Get over your white self FFS
Greg
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