Jim
I was trying to work out what the strategy should be to best use this
interpretation of offside. Could you have 2 players working together,
one hanging offside, and one just onside, but close to each other.
Midfield is charged with playing the ball through seemingly to the
offside player, but he does not touch the ball, and the other onside
player charges through, takes the ball, and bangs it in the net.
Anyone know of a team trying to play such a system? Would it work? Would
the refs/linesmen actually allow it to happen? I am sure that a lot of
defences would simply stop if a ball was played forward towards a player
obviously in an offside position. Alas, I am sure that I see almost
every game linesmen flag instantly they see a player offside before the
player plays the ball.
Am I smoking dope?
Alec
On 15/06/2010 4:25 PM, Jim Moran wrote:
What's to stop one striker from goal hanging, conserving their energy,
returning to an onside position only when it appears there may be a
goal scoring opportunity? Essentially behaving like the game is one
big corner kick. If they chose to stand nowhere near the 'keeper then
they're not "interfering with play" are they?
Would be much easier if offside was just offside. It's nonsense to
suggest that a player is not active. The defenders will have to be
aware and ready of the non active player as soon as they return on
side, so a player is deemed to be not part of the game one second and
active a second later having moved an inch. Like I say, appears to be
nonsence to me.
On 15 Jun 2010, at 07:14, Brian Hamilton<[email protected]
> wrote:
I've not seen that scenario Alec BUT yes it's possible the assistant
referee got trigger happy. Alternatively it may have been that it
was obvious that he was the only player likely to get the ball and/
or there may have been a possibility of a collision between this
attacker and the goalkeeper.
Hope this helps
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Alec
Sent: 14/06/2010 22:19:21
Subject: Re: [LU] Offside rule clarification
OK, I am confused again now. Just watching Japan vs Cameroon, and
player
just given offside without touching the ball. As soon as the ball was
crossed (yes, the guy was offside), the linesman raised his flag,
but he
never got even close to touching the ball. Are we saying that this is
wrong, and the linesman should not flag offside until the player
actually plays the ball?
Surely we see this happen all the time? A player is in an offside
position, he has a ball played through to him, but he has not yet
touched the ball, and is flagged offside.
Brian, are you saying that every time this happens, they officials
have
got it wrong?
Cheers
Alec
On 14/06/2010 8:12 PM, Alec wrote:
Brian
Thanks for that. So, essentially, unless you receive the ball, you
can't be offside (apart from the nuances you mentioned, which seem
very irregular, marginal cases)?
Cheers
A
On 14/06/2010 7:38 PM, Brian Hamilton wrote:
Alec
Considering I teach referees how to referee, I'm happy to oblige. It
is not an offence to be in an offside position. In the situation you
describe, assistant referees are instructed to 'wait and see' to
find
out which player plays the ball.
If the player in the offside position plays the ball, then the flag
should be raised, play stopped and an indirect free kick awarded to
the defending team. If the player who was not in an offside position
plays the ball, then play should continue.
Interfering with play means the player in the offside position
actually playing or touching the ball which has been passed or
touched by a team mate.
The other definitions are firstly, interfering with an opponent
which
is preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the
ball
by blocking their line of sight or making a gesture or movement
intended to deceive or distract the opponent. This occurred most
recently when an Everton player was in front of a goalkeeper
blocking
his line of sight following a corner and the goal scored was chalked
off.
Secondly there is gaining an advantage which is when the ball
rebounds off a crossbar, post or opponent when the offending player
was in an offside position when the ball was played on to the bar,
post or opponent.
We usually take an hour and use a dvd that took a few thousand
pounds
to explain that to newbies :-)
As for Clough's quote, there's been a number of law changes since he
was involved in football, most of them intended to make the game
more
attractive and safer to play. He'd have loved the vuvuzelas
though ;-)
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Alec
Sent: 14/06/2010 10:09:22
Subject: [LU] Offside rule clarification
Can someone who knows please clarify something for me. If a pass is
played forward to a player (not in an offside position), but in the
penalty box D, a player is moving forward with intent and is only
slightly ahead of the the player receiving the pass, and IS in an
offside position, is it offside? I am sure that the rule is about
"interfering with play", but what does that actually mean? Wasn't it
Clough who said "If he isn't interfering with play, what's he
doing on
the pitch?".
Cheers
Alec
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