Hay Ken. I sent you a note on your link. I have lots of DC motors and even more ideas to show you. if you can get to my side of Detroit. C.A.G.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kavat 48" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:27:37 AM Subject: Re: Inside-out turning video I should probably take the time to go through the history of everything you all have shared CAG., so I will not have to re-invent the wheel with every new process. That is not the way a real man does it however. That would be like stopping to ask directions on a road trip, and I am not certain it should be considered it at my age. Is there a link to the "archives"? I will take a picture when one of my sons has time to show me how to turn on the camera on the I Phone they thought I desperately needed. (Already dropped the slippery bugger & will pay $130 to get it in the proper condition to be dropped again. Not certain I should, as the cracks in the glass give my fingers some traction.) Our products are at @ cheesebrough.com . You will notice they are much simpler than what your group typically works with. We are playing with new machines here because our mill burned in 2013. It was line shaft driven, so I am having an interesting time converting my thinking from that simple technology to the world of extruded aluminum, linear rails, processors, etc.. (Our table saw was all wood with a replaceable thin metal top, and built on site in 1876) The fire occurred at the peak of our season, so we ordered a 96" VEGA duplicator, along with all of the other tools we would need to stay in business, to keep things moving. It has taken us 18 months to get caught up enough to have the time to look into building custom equipment. (If you know anyone in the SW MI area that is involved in that, I would love to hear about them.) It looked like Legacy was the system "type" that would work for us, so we picked up two used units and started fiddling with them. Any information that you feel would be of help in moving us along would certainly be appreciated. Best, Ken On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM, CURTIS GEORGE < [email protected] > wrote: Ken can you show us some pictures of your process/machine, as well as some of your products.What you are suggesting sounds very much like something that we have talked about a few years back. Just perhaps I or someone with in the group could help figure out how to fix you problems. Burrney used the V track and made it work. Here is his old pix's and the postings can be found in our archives. gota run. That's it for now. talk latter. C.A.G From: "Kavat 48" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:01:44 AM Subject: Re: Inside-out turning video Thanks Joe. Our small shop has been working to improve the movement on a Legacy 1100. The exotics we are working with seem to have overly much fine dust, and it has been difficult to keep the linear movements smooth, even with generous applications of dynaglide. I came across the "V" track / "V" wheel system in researching it and got some in, but the track is a bit "wiggly", and we felt that the labor in getting it mounted within tolerance might climb near the cost of a higher quality system, so are back on the search. We are not concerned with the additional deck height of the router, as we will likely make a new deck for whatever we find will work for us. Truthfully, I hesitated to cannibalize the 1100 at first, but it no longer resembles the catalog photo. We use only the extruded framing & acme drive, and dropped a midi lathe head and tail stock into two of the rails for turning. Our lathes turn only a profile and we cut from the side with down spiral straight bits. No tricks like I see many of you can accomplish with the Legacy. That will come after we have figured out how to make the machine do it's part in paying the rent. We will look into the PBC. In another machine direction, (But in quietly following you guys over the past year or more, I have noticed that you enjoy making custom machines out of the scrap pile from the bakery next door. - Having been a woodworker for some years Joe, I assume you have found the ideal location with a bakery on one side of your shop and a micro brewery on the other.) Now that we are over the original angst all cannibals likely have about their activities, we found a Legacy 650 and strapped it to an old 36" Delta to make a quick copy lathe for small, simple turnings. To cut the pattern, we mounted a small 1 1/4 HP router at the pattern stylus pin location on the 650 Z axis table. For a pattern board, we fasten a piece of hardboard, UHMW, or whatever is handy, to a plywood bed we installed between the upper X axis extrusions, We mount the original (or even a pattern cut from plywood) in the Delta lathe, and insert an old router bit or straight pin in the deactivated cutting router to follow its profile. We fire up the small router, plunge it into the blank pattern board, and carefully move the follower pin installed in the cutting router along the original part, while the small router cuts a pattern slot of the original's profile in the blank. (A spring helps keep pin pressure on the original.) We then deactivate the small router, and if we had used a 1/4" bit to cut the pattern for instance, just replace it with a short length of 1/4" rod and plunge it back into the pattern slot as a follower. We then remove the follower pin from the cutting router and re-install the cutting bit & turn a copy. (We did need to make a rough-in pattern to remove the bulk, and finish pattern for one project.) We take great care to deactivate the routers through all of the changeovers required from pattern follower to pattern cutting. Best, Ken On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:49 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> hi ken, what i would like to use is a low profile set up from PBC...or a similar design from another company, hopefully cheaper than PBC...the overall height on the PBC piece is 5/8"(that is the total of the rail and carriage)...the travel in the legacy Z axis can certainly compensate for that without any worry of losing router bit depth...if you also add this set up on the Y axis, now it is a total of 1 1/4"...might be an issue, but i have already compensated for any lose in router bit depth when i upgraded my Z axis...i would attach the PBC rail directly to the legacy aluminum extrusion with some t-nuts that i picked up a sample of from mcmaster-carr...they fit the legacy rail perfectly, just need a little filing on the bottom corners, which does not effect the tightness of the fit and lightly skim the top of the t-nut...it has a 1/4"-20 thread and the existing rail mounting holes would have to be enlarged just a bit...but if you do this carefully,with a tight tolerance, it should be self centering onto the legacy rails...attaching the legacy Y axis to the PBC carriage would be done in a similar fashion, but it would require being a bit more meticulous when laying out and drilling the holes in the carriage...google "PBC low profile" and you should get right to it...problem being their rails and carriages are a bit on the expensive side...hope this helps...and also need to mention, i did get a free sample of rail(5") and a carriage from PBC, so i have a pretty good idea how all of this can work...any questions, keep them coming...thanks...joe On Friday, December 12, 2014 5:20:01 PM UTC-5, Old Mill wrote: <blockquote> What linear setup do you prefer to use Joe, and do you attach the rail directly to the extrusions or use an adapter plate? Thanks, Ken (New Legacy user using old Legacy) On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:42 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < legacy-orna...@ googlegroups.com > wrote: <blockquote> ok mac, i see where you want to go with this...a little "legacy" envy perhaps?...LOL!...but hey!, it is what it is...i'll volunteer an update to give you some additional comeback fodder...still waiting for the linear bearing gods to shine down on me before i can do that mod...might come as a surprise to mac, but i do have budget issues!...the machine is running fine with the top hats in place, so no great necessity to do that upgrade...all the bells and whistles i made for the machine are working just as i had intended them to, so no quirks there...on the horizon, i am thinking of trying to increase the diameter capacity of my "monster mill"...why? you ask...because bigger is better...just ask mac...have everything worked out, except the meshing of the gears...has this subject ever been discussed in this group before?...anyone care to offer any ideas?...recently acquired a two spindle carving machine...and, of course, modifying it a bit to better suite our needs...and certainly a happy holiday season to all, including mac!...LMAO!...joe "if we buy it, we modify it!" biunno On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:26:31 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote: <blockquote> I like your suggestion to just make the ornament stock a couple inches longer and lop off the glued ends to separate them. I was jesting re: you celebrating Christmas on an "opposite cycle" (in your mid-winter) from the northern hemisphere - 25 December is 25 December everywhere (within 24 hrs) - same for 1 January. :-) Of course Joe w/the Monster Mill in New York will tell us that NO ONE celebrates New Year's like they do in New York! Right, Joe? Mac <blockquote> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Bulkeley Sent: Dec 11, 2014 9:43 PM To: legacy-orna...@ googlegroups. com Subject: RE: Inside-out turning video No our Christmas and new year is at the same time the difference here is the summer holidays start strait after Christmas so instead of just a long week end for Christmas it’s like 4 weeks long Better for the kids i feel and one of the pass times here at Christmas is swimming be a bit hard getting through all that ice over your way to do that lolol As for the inside out ornament, splitting it in half instead of doing it like the guy in the video did just make your blank longer and cut the glued ends off with the drop saw to get them apart much easier Bill From: legacy-orna...@ googlegroups. com [mailto: legacy-ornamental- mill [email protected] ] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2014 12:36 PM To: legacy-orna...@ googlegroups. com Subject: Re: Inside-out turning video Curtis, Thank you for sharing that link. That is a beautiful piece. I just wish I could understand Italian (I think that's what he was speaking.) - I'd have gotten even more out of it. It's my guess that in the beginning he was addressing the importance/value of the grain of the wood he was using - and how to achieve the effect he did. I would have eased/beveled the 4 edges that form the glue lines at the top and bottom so that when it's time to split it apart you have a groove exactly where the joints are - aligning the knife/splitter exactly where it needs to be. I wonder what the species of wood were that he used - they were a nice combination. At the rate we (The Group) are "communicating" of late - I'd better send my "Merry Christmas and a Happy, Safe, and Prosperous New Year to all" wishes right now. (Bill - do you folks celebrate New Year's "opposite" us - like you do winter - summer? so you celebrate New Year's on July 1? :-) JK!) Mac <blockquote> -----Original Message----- From: CURTIS GEORGE Sent: Dec 11, 2014 7:49 PM To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills Subject: Inside-out turning video https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=adgB1z-hGVQ Inside out turning. Bill introduced us to inside-out turning a few years back.,In this video,The turning is done on the lathe. but I feel that the Legacy could do as well or better, in some cases. Dose anyone have any Christmas ideas or projects that could be done for a Holiday gift project? Come on people, Lets start talking. And and all ideas are welcome. C.A.G. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8718 - Release Date: 12/11/14 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+ unsubs [email protected] . 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