Call and We can see. If I need to take some time off form work I will.
I leave for work at 415am and I get home appx. 430pm. (mon-fri.) I
work some saturdays if need be, sundays I do not work. (but I am on
call just in case.) Let me know when you are in town and we will get
together.
C.A.G.
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*From: *"Kavat 48" <[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected]
*Sent: *Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:43:09 AM
*Subject: *Re: Inside-out turning video
The DC motors will likely come in handy Curtis, and I would very much
like to take the time to visit. Are week-ends, or a weekday better
for you?. This is our slow time, so anything works for me. ken
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:17 AM, CURTIS GEORGE <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hay Ken.
I sent you a note on your link.
I have lots of DC motors and even more ideas to show you. if you
can get to my side of Detroit.
C.A.G.
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*From: *"Kavat 48" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:27:37 AM
*Subject: *Re: Inside-out turning video
I should probably take the time to go through the history of
everything you all have shared CAG., so I will not have to
re-invent the wheel with every new process. That is not the way a
real man does it however. That would be like stopping to ask
directions on a road trip, and I am not certain it should be
considered it at my age. Is there a link to the "archives"? I
will take a picture when one of my sons has time to show me how to
turn on the camera on the I Phone they thought I desperately
needed. (Already dropped the slippery bugger & will pay $130 to
get it in the proper condition to be dropped again. Not certain I
should, as the cracks in the glass give my fingers some traction.)
Our products are at @ cheesebrough.com
<http://cheesebrough.com>. You will notice they are much simpler
than what your group typically works with. We are playing with
new machines here because our mill burned in 2013. It was line
shaft driven, so I am having an interesting time converting my
thinking from that simple technology to the world of extruded
aluminum, linear rails, processors, etc.. (Our table saw was all
wood with a replaceable thin metal top, and built on site in 1876)
The fire occurred at the peak of our season, so we ordered a 96"
VEGA duplicator, along with all of the other tools we would need
to stay in business, to keep things moving. It has taken us 18
months to get caught up enough to have the time to look into
building custom equipment. (If you know anyone in the SW MI area
that is involved in that, I would love to hear about them.) It
looked like Legacy was the system "type" that would work for us,
so we picked up two used units and started fiddling with them.
Any information that you feel would be of help in moving us along
would certainly be appreciated.
Best, Ken
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM, CURTIS GEORGE
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ken can you show us some pictures of your process/machine, as
well as some of your products.What you are suggesting sounds
very much like something that we have talked about a few years
back. Just perhaps I or someone with in the group could help
figure out how to fix you problems. Burrney used the V track
and made it work. Here is his old pix's and the postings can
be found in our archives.
gota run.
That's it for now.
talk latter.
C.A.G
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*From: *"Kavat 48" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:01:44 AM
*Subject: *Re: Inside-out turning video
Thanks Joe. Our small shop has been working to improve the
movement on a Legacy 1100. The exotics we are working with
seem to have overly much fine dust, and it has been difficult
to keep the linear movements smooth, even with generous
applications of dynaglide. I came across the "V" track / "V"
wheel system in researching it and got some in, but the track
is a bit "wiggly", and we felt that the labor in getting it
mounted within tolerance might climb near the cost of a higher
quality system, so are back on the search. We are not
concerned with the additional deck height of the router, as we
will likely make a new deck for whatever we find will work for
us. Truthfully, I hesitated to cannibalize the 1100 at first,
but it no longer resembles the catalog photo. We
use only the extruded framing & acme drive, and dropped a midi
lathe head and tail stock into two of the rails for turning.
Our lathes turn only a profile and we cut from the side with
down spiral straight bits. No tricks like I see many of you
can accomplish with the Legacy. That will come after we have
figured out how to make the machine do it's part in paying the
rent. We will look into the PBC.
In another machine direction, (But in quietly following you
guys over the past year or more, I have noticed that you enjoy
making custom machines out of the scrap pile from the bakery
next door. - Having been a woodworker for some years Joe, I
assume you have found the ideal location with a bakery on one
side of your shop and a micro brewery on the other.) Now that
we are over the original angst all cannibalslikely have about
their activities, we found a Legacy 650 and strapped it to an
old 36" Delta to make a quick copy lathe for small, simple
turnings. To cut the pattern, we mounted a small 1 1/4 HP
router at the pattern stylus pin location on the 650 Z axis
table. For a pattern board, we fasten a piece of hardboard,
UHMW, or whatever is handy, to a plywood bed we installed
between the upper X axis extrusions, We mount
the original (or even a pattern cut from plywood) in the Delta
lathe, and insert an old router bit or straight pin in
the deactivated cutting router to follow its profile. We fire
up the small router, plunge it into the blank pattern board,
and carefully move the follower pin installed in the cutting
router along the original part, while the small router cuts a
pattern slot of the original's profile in the blank. (A
spring helps keep pin pressure on the original.) We then
deactivate the small router, and if we had used a 1/4" bit to
cut the pattern for instance, just replace it with a short
length of 1/4" rod and plunge it back into the pattern slot as
a follower. We then remove the follower pin from the cutting
router and re-install the cutting bit & turn a copy. (We did
need to make a rough-in pattern to remove the bulk, and finish
pattern for one project.) We take great care to deactivate
the routers through all of the changeovers required from
pattern follower to pattern cutting.
Best, Ken
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:49 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
hi ken,
what i would like to use is a low profile set up
from PBC...or a similar design from another company,
hopefully cheaper than PBC...the overall height on the PBC
piece is 5/8"(that is the total of the rail and
carriage)...the travel in the legacy Z axis can certainly
compensate for that without any worry of losing router bit
depth...if you also add this set up on the Y axis, now it
is a total of 1 1/4"...might be an issue, but i have
already compensated for any lose in router bit depth when
i upgraded my Z axis...i would attach the PBC rail
directly to the legacy aluminum extrusion with some t-nuts
that i picked up a sample of from mcmaster-carr...they fit
the legacy rail perfectly, just need a little filing on
the bottom corners, which does not effect the tightness of
the fit and lightly skim the top of the t-nut...it has a
1/4"-20 thread and the existing rail mounting holes would
have to be enlarged just a bit...but if you do this
carefully,with a tight tolerance, it should be self
centering onto the legacy rails...attaching the legacy Y
axis to the PBC carriage would be done in a similar
fashion, but it would require being a bit more meticulous
when laying out and drilling the holes in the
carriage...google "PBC low profile" and you should get
right to it...problem being their rails and carriages are
a bit on the expensive side...hope this helps...and also
need to mention, i did get a free sample of rail(5") and a
carriage from PBC, so i have a pretty good idea how all of
this can work...any questions, keep them coming...thanks...joe
On Friday, December 12, 2014 5:20:01 PM UTC-5, Old Mill
wrote:
What linear setup do you prefer to use Joe, and do you
attach the rail directly to the extrusions or use an
adapter plate?
Thanks, Ken (New Legacy user using old Legacy)
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:42 PM, 'joe biunno' via
Legacy Ornamental Mills
<[email protected]>wrote:
ok mac, i see where you want to go with this...a
little "legacy" envy perhaps?...LOL!...but hey!,
it is what it is...i'll volunteer an update to
give you some additional comeback fodder...still
waiting for the linear bearing gods to shine down
on me before i can do that mod...might come as a
surprise to mac, but i do have budget
issues!...the machine is running fine with the top
hats in place, so no great necessity to do that
upgrade...all the bells and whistles i made for
the machine are working just as i had intended
them to, so no quirks there...on the horizon, i am
thinking of trying to increase the diameter
capacity of my "monster mill"...why? you
ask...because bigger is better...just ask
mac...have everything worked out, except the
meshing of the gears...has this subject ever been
discussed in this group before?...anyone care to
offer any ideas?...recently acquired a two spindle
carving machine...and, of course, modifying it a
bit to better suite our needs...and certainly a
happy holiday season to all, including
mac!...LMAO!...joe "if we buy it, we modify it!"
biunno
On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:26:31 AM UTC-5, Va
Oak wrote:
I like your suggestion to just make the
ornament stock a couple inches longer and lop
off the glued ends to separate them.
I was jesting re: you celebrating Christmas on
an "opposite cycle" (in your mid-winter) from
the northern hemisphere - 25 December is 25
December everywhere (within 24 hrs) - same for
1 January. :-)
Of course Joe w/the Monster Mill in New York
will tell us that NO ONE celebrates New Year's
like they do in New York! Right, Joe?
Mac
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bulkeley
Sent: Dec 11, 2014 9:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Inside-out turning video
No our Christmas and new year is at the
same time the difference here is the
summer holidays start strait after
Christmas so instead of just a long week
end for Christmas it’s like 4 weeks long
Better for the kids i feel and one of the
pass times here at Christmas is swimming
be a bit hard getting through all that ice
over your way to do that lolol
As for the inside out ornament, splitting
it in half instead of doing it like the
guy in the video did just make your blank
longer and cut the glued ends off with the
drop saw to get them apart much easier
Bill
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *[email protected]
*Sent:* Friday, 12 December 2014 12:36 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Inside-out turning video
Curtis,
Thank you for sharing that link. That is
a beautiful piece. I just wish I could
understand Italian (I think that's what he
was speaking.) - I'd have gotten even more
out of it. It's my guess that in the
beginning he was addressing the
importance/value of the grain of the wood
he was using - and how to achieve the
effect he did.
I would have eased/beveled the 4 edges
that form the glue lines at the top and
bottom so that when it's time to split it
apart you have a groove exactly where the
joints are - aligning the knife/splitter
exactly where it needs to be.
I wonder what the species of wood were
that he used - they were a nice combination.
At the rate we (The Group) are
"communicating" of late - I'd better send
my "Merry Christmas and a Happy, Safe, and
Prosperous New Year to all" wishes right now.
(Bill - do you folks celebrate New Year's
"opposite" us - like you do winter -
summer? so you celebrate New Year's on
July 1? :-) JK!)
Mac
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-----Original Message-----
From: CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: Dec 11, 2014 7:49 PM
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
Subject: Inside-out turning video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adgB1z-hGVQ
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adgB1z-hGVQ>
Inside out turning.
Bill introduced us to inside-out
turning a few years back.,In this
video,The turning is done on the
lathe. but I feel that the Legacy
could do as well or better, in some
cases.
Dose anyone have any Christmas ideas
or projects that could be done for a
Holiday gift project?
Come on people, Lets start talking.
And and all ideas are welcome.
C.A.G.
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