The DC motors will likely come in handy Curtis, and I would very much like to take the time to visit. Are week-ends, or a weekday better for you?. This is our slow time, so anything works for me. ken
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:17 AM, CURTIS GEORGE <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hay Ken. > I sent you a note on your link. > I have lots of DC motors and even more ideas to show you. if you can get > to my side of Detroit. > C.A.G. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Kavat 48" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:27:37 AM > > *Subject: *Re: Inside-out turning video > > I should probably take the time to go through the history of everything > you all have shared CAG., so I will not have to re-invent the wheel with > every new process. That is not the way a real man does it however. That > would be like stopping to ask directions on a road trip, and I am not > certain it should be considered it at my age. Is there a link to the > "archives"? I will take a picture when one of my sons has time to show me > how to turn on the camera on the I Phone they thought I desperately needed. > (Already dropped the slippery bugger & will pay $130 to get it in the > proper condition to be dropped again. Not certain I should, as the cracks > in the glass give my fingers some traction.) Our products are at @ > cheesebrough.com. You will notice they are much simpler than what your > group typically works with. We are playing with new machines here because > our mill burned in 2013. It was line shaft driven, so I am having an > interesting time converting my thinking from that simple technology to the > world of extruded aluminum, linear rails, processors, etc.. (Our table saw > was all wood with a replaceable thin metal top, and built on site in 1876) > The fire occurred at the peak of our season, so we ordered a 96" VEGA > duplicator, along with all of the other tools we would need to stay in > business, to keep things moving. It has taken us 18 months to get caught > up enough to have the time to look into building custom equipment. (If you > know anyone in the SW MI area that is involved in that, I would love to > hear about them.) It looked like Legacy was the system "type" that would > work for us, so we picked up two used units and started fiddling with > them. Any information that you feel would be of help in moving us along > would certainly be appreciated. > Best, Ken > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM, CURTIS GEORGE <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Ken can you show us some pictures of your process/machine, as well as >> some of your products.What you are suggesting sounds very much like >> something that we have talked about a few years back. Just perhaps I or >> someone with in the group could help figure out how to fix you problems. >> Burrney used the V track and made it work. Here is his old pix's and the >> postings can be found in our archives. >> gota run. >> That's it for now. >> talk latter. >> C.A.G >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Kavat 48" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:01:44 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: Inside-out turning video >> >> Thanks Joe. Our small shop has been working to improve the movement on a >> Legacy 1100. The exotics we are working with seem to have overly much fine >> dust, and it has been difficult to keep the linear movements smooth, even >> with generous applications of dynaglide. I came across the "V" track / "V" >> wheel system in researching it and got some in, but the track is a bit >> "wiggly", and we felt that the labor in getting it mounted within tolerance >> might climb near the cost of a higher quality system, so are back on the >> search. We are not concerned with the additional deck height of the >> router, as we will likely make a new deck for whatever we find will work >> for us. Truthfully, I hesitated to cannibalize the 1100 at first, but it >> no longer resembles the catalog photo. We use only the extruded framing & >> acme drive, and dropped a midi lathe head and tail stock into two of the >> rails for turning. Our lathes turn only a profile and we cut from the side >> with down spiral straight bits. No tricks like I see many of you can >> accomplish with the Legacy. That will come after we have figured out how to >> make the machine do it's part in paying the rent. We will look into the >> PBC. >> >> >> >> In another machine direction, (But in quietly following you guys over the >> past year or more, I have noticed that you enjoy making custom machines out >> of the scrap pile from the bakery next door. - Having been a woodworker for >> some years Joe, I assume you have found the ideal location with a bakery on >> one side of your shop and a micro brewery on the other.) Now that we are >> over the original angst all cannibals likely have about their >> activities, we found a Legacy 650 and strapped it to an old 36" Delta to >> make a quick copy lathe for small, simple turnings. To cut the pattern, we >> mounted a small 1 1/4 HP router at the pattern stylus pin location on the >> 650 Z axis table. For a pattern board, we fasten a piece of hardboard, >> UHMW, or whatever is handy, to a plywood bed we installed between the upper >> X axis extrusions, We mount the original (or even a pattern cut from >> plywood) in the Delta lathe, and insert an old router bit or straight pin >> in the deactivated cutting router to follow its profile. We fire up the >> small router, plunge it into the blank pattern board, and carefully move >> the follower pin installed in the cutting router along the original >> part, while the small router cuts a pattern slot of the original's profile >> in the blank. (A spring helps keep pin pressure on the original.) We then >> deactivate the small router, and if we had used a 1/4" bit to cut the >> pattern for instance, just replace it with a short length of 1/4" rod and >> plunge it back into the pattern slot as a follower. We then remove the >> follower pin from the cutting router and re-install the cutting bit & turn >> a copy. (We did need to make a rough-in pattern to remove the bulk, and >> finish pattern for one project.) We take great care to deactivate the >> routers through all of the changeovers required from pattern follower to >> pattern cutting. >> Best, Ken >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:49 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills >> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> hi ken, >>> what i would like to use is a low profile set up from PBC...or >>> a similar design from another company, hopefully cheaper than PBC...the >>> overall height on the PBC piece is 5/8"(that is the total of the rail and >>> carriage)...the travel in the legacy Z axis can certainly compensate for >>> that without any worry of losing router bit depth...if you also add this >>> set up on the Y axis, now it is a total of 1 1/4"...might be an issue, but >>> i have already compensated for any lose in router bit depth when i upgraded >>> my Z axis...i would attach the PBC rail directly to the legacy aluminum >>> extrusion with some t-nuts that i picked up a sample of from >>> mcmaster-carr...they fit the legacy rail perfectly, just need a little >>> filing on the bottom corners, which does not effect the tightness of the >>> fit and lightly skim the top of the t-nut...it has a 1/4"-20 thread and the >>> existing rail mounting holes would have to be enlarged just a bit...but if >>> you do this carefully,with a tight tolerance, it should be self centering >>> onto the legacy rails...attaching the legacy Y axis to the PBC carriage >>> would be done in a similar fashion, but it would require being a bit more >>> meticulous when laying out and drilling the holes in the carriage...google >>> "PBC low profile" and you should get right to it...problem being their >>> rails and carriages are a bit on the expensive side...hope this helps...and >>> also need to mention, i did get a free sample of rail(5") and a carriage >>> from PBC, so i have a pretty good idea how all of this can work...any >>> questions, keep them coming...thanks...joe >>> >>> On Friday, December 12, 2014 5:20:01 PM UTC-5, Old Mill wrote: >>>> >>>> What linear setup do you prefer to use Joe, and do you attach the rail >>>> directly to the extrusions or use an adapter plate? >>>> Thanks, Ken (New Legacy user using old Legacy) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:42 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental >>>> Mills <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ok mac, i see where you want to go with this...a little "legacy" envy >>>>> perhaps?...LOL!...but hey!, it is what it is...i'll volunteer an update to >>>>> give you some additional comeback fodder...still waiting for the linear >>>>> bearing gods to shine down on me before i can do that mod...might come as >>>>> a >>>>> surprise to mac, but i do have budget issues!...the machine is running >>>>> fine >>>>> with the top hats in place, so no great necessity to do that upgrade...all >>>>> the bells and whistles i made for the machine are working just as i had >>>>> intended them to, so no quirks there...on the horizon, i am thinking of >>>>> trying to increase the diameter capacity of my "monster mill"...why? you >>>>> ask...because bigger is better...just ask mac...have everything worked >>>>> out, >>>>> except the meshing of the gears...has this subject ever been discussed in >>>>> this group before?...anyone care to offer any ideas?...recently acquired a >>>>> two spindle carving machine...and, of course, modifying it a bit to better >>>>> suite our needs...and certainly a happy holiday season to all, including >>>>> mac!...LMAO!...joe "if we buy it, we modify it!" biunno >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:26:31 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I like your suggestion to just make the ornament stock a couple >>>>>> inches longer and lop off the glued ends to separate them. >>>>>> I was jesting re: you celebrating Christmas on an "opposite cycle" >>>>>> (in your mid-winter) from the northern hemisphere - 25 December is 25 >>>>>> December everywhere (within 24 hrs) - same for 1 January. :-) >>>>>> Of course Joe w/the Monster Mill in New York will tell us that NO ONE >>>>>> celebrates New Year's like they do in New York! Right, Joe? >>>>>> Mac >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Bill Bulkeley >>>>>> Sent: Dec 11, 2014 9:43 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: RE: Inside-out turning video >>>>>> >>>>>> No our Christmas and new year is at the same time the difference here >>>>>> is the summer holidays start strait after Christmas so instead of just a >>>>>> long week end for Christmas it’s like 4 weeks long >>>>>> >>>>>> Better for the kids i feel and one of the pass times here at >>>>>> Christmas is swimming be a bit hard getting through all that ice over >>>>>> your >>>>>> way to do that lolol >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the inside out ornament, splitting it in half instead of doing >>>>>> it like the guy in the video did just make your blank longer and cut the >>>>>> glued ends off with the drop saw to get them apart much easier >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:legacy-ornamental- >>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 12 December 2014 12:36 PM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Inside-out turning video >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Curtis, >>>>>> Thank you for sharing that link. That is a beautiful piece. I just >>>>>> wish I could understand Italian (I think that's what he was speaking.) - >>>>>> I'd have gotten even more out of it. It's my guess that in the beginning >>>>>> he was addressing the importance/value of the grain of the wood he was >>>>>> using - and how to achieve the effect he did. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would have eased/beveled the 4 edges that form the glue lines at >>>>>> the top and bottom so that when it's time to split it apart you have a >>>>>> groove exactly where the joints are - aligning the knife/splitter exactly >>>>>> where it needs to be. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder what the species of wood were that he used - they were a >>>>>> nice combination. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the rate we (The Group) are "communicating" of late - I'd better >>>>>> send my "Merry Christmas and a Happy, Safe, and Prosperous New Year to >>>>>> all" >>>>>> wishes right now. >>>>>> (Bill - do you folks celebrate New Year's "opposite" us - like you do >>>>>> winter - summer? so you celebrate New Year's on July 1? :-) JK!) >>>>>> Mac >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: CURTIS GEORGE >>>>>> Sent: Dec 11, 2014 7:49 PM >>>>>> To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills >>>>>> Subject: Inside-out turning video >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adgB1z-hGVQ Inside out turning. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill introduced us to inside-out turning a few years back.,In this >>>>>> video,The turning is done on the lathe. but I feel that the Legacy could >>>>>> do >>>>>> as well or better, in some cases. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dose anyone have any Christmas ideas or projects that could be done >>>>>> for a Holiday gift project? 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