Tim.You could drill out the centers of what you have and then sand them flat
for a glue up? that would be a quick way to make things work for you.
I am enjoying what I am doing now, but If I'm 100% honest with my-self. How
many looking glasses to I need to have/make?I need to find a new venue on the
project list for my bone glue ups. That is unless I wish to sell them? But at
this time they are all gifts, and not for sale. After all, how do you price
the time it takes to make these?
I will be one of those starving artist, who can sell a thing until after they
die. Then there art works , will become priceless. ;-)
C.A.G.
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:13:24 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks Curt I know it will make all the difference in the world. Missed that
step the whole way through. Now I'm excited but firstbetter finish with all the
discs I already made. I have to get more bones.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hey Timwhen setting up the barrel trimer and the hole saw, make sure the
trimmer is appx. 1/16"- 1/8" inside the hole saw, the hole saw holds down the
bone as the trimmer cuts the face.I tried using the trimmer by its self and it
had all kinds of chatter. with your hole saw and trimmer together will produce
a very nice, clean flat surface.
Best of luck tiring this method. it works well for me. (I hope you too, will
have good results.) ;-)
C.A.G.
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:55:23 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
Yup all makes more sense now. I did not know you used two different process's
on the cutting of the disc.I have a set of the diamond hole saws and that is
what I am using but now I will set one up with a Pen barrel trimmer for
sure.Sounds way easier.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 4:56 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hello Tim
I though I answered that.
I use two hole saws for each size bone disk I plan to make. The 3/4" disk, I
uses a 35mm diamond hole saw, one hole saw holds a 3/4" pen barrel trimmer
inside the hole saw. What this dose for me is, The diamond hole saw cut/grinds
the hole in the bone while the pen barrel trimmer flattens the bone into a nice
flat disk. Once I have a flat on the bone, I switch hole saws, and then
drill/grind through the bone with the other hole saw. (Diamond hole saws have
no teeth, they grind or sand there way through the material they are cutting.
On nice part using these hole saws is NO Ketch, since there are no teeth, it is
much harder to have one of these ketch the part it is cutting. making it much
safer to use in this process.)Once I cut all the way through the bone, I have a
flat bone disk on one side, This gives me a flat surface, my machinists V
block and sanding disk will make the other edge flat.
the same process is done with the larger hole saw and a 1 1/4" barrel trimer.
Gota run.
talk to you all more latter.
C.A.G.
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 02:09:42 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Curt,
But you forgot to answer my question about the holesaws used to get your disc's
cut.Can you check back on this earlier reply?
Thanks and as always I appreciate everything.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 11:50 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
"O" Ok.
The only trick that I used, was to use the first sets of ropes that I cut as my
starting point for the next sets of left handed cuts.The TK gear changer is
Very nice and easy to use, but you still need to be careful when changing
gears. I method that I like to use with this set up (any time I need to
disconnect the gears) Is, marking the gears. With a sharpe marker or pencil.
(draw a line through the gears) If your gears move , all you need to do it
align the gears to the line you drew across them, to make sure you are still
set in the right oration.
If I was using the Legacy directional gears, this method still works just as
well. As long as the indexing gear set and the drive gear line up, the
directional gears since they are in linkage do not matter.
As I said earlier I used a V cutter so all that I needed to do was put the tip
in the start of my earlier cut. THEN before I start cutting, I Double check my
gears to make sure they are all locked in place. THEN I start the next sets of
cuts.
Remember to breath, (holding your breath dose not help at all. First hand
experience there. ;-). )
ONE Last Note: Uniformity is the name of the game, You must use the same
methods for the second set of cut as the ones you did on the first sets. I am
using my roping index to index and cut my ropes, but any method would work just
as well. MIKE P. method or the Legacy method would work just as well .
I hope this helps?
talk to you all more latter.
C.A.G.
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 08:17:07 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
So just for clarification Curt, you use two different hole saws configurations
to cut your discs then?The first one having the Pen trimmer inside then you
have an additional hole saw to finish the actualcut of the disc? Is that what
I am taking from this?
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 10:17 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hey Tim"challenges during the change over?"
No not really.But it was a long road for me to go down, until I found what
worked best for me. I had a lot of waist, scrap bone that was to good to throw
away, But I just could not use it.
Some of my waist came form Me, trying to cut the best bone disks I could. which
meant that there was bone that I had to pass up due to the defects in the bone
and the thinner parts that just would not work.I spent months trying to figure
out how to use that waisted scrap bone that I had.I started with the sanding
disk, and it worked well but I could not control the cut well enough holding
the disks in my fingers while sanding. I used my metal lathe and it worked very
well for me to a point, but I could not hold the smaller bone. So I tried
painters tape and CA Glue. it worked but was very slow. I tried the jewelry
vice on the lathe, and I liked it. but it still had some problems. I was
cleaning my shop, and found my machinist V block. I figured why not try that? I
tried holding the brass rod on the V block, and holding the bone against the
steel face of the block, it worked! The disks were flat and true to each
other, giving me a very nice glue joint, where the lines almost do not show,
Exactly what I wanted.Now when I get a thin disk, I glue it to a thicker one.On
my last/ today's turning, This turning was made up or almost all 1/8" and
under bone disks. I was afraid the thin disks would crack or break while
cutting. which did not happen today.This is a true learning curve for all of
us. My hope here, is that others will try what I have done for them-self's,
Perhaps improving the methods and making there own Legacy's to share with
others.
For me its been a lot of fun.I just want to share the experiences with you all.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 10:25:09 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
You mean I should try it again? Mine usually sits in the drawer. did you have
any challenges during the change over?
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 4:56 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thank you both Bill and Roger.
Bill, YES the TK quick gear changer is a dream to use. It stays on my machine
99% of the time.I think of it like a truck with 4 wheel drive, You don't need
it most of the time, but when you do. It so nice to have. ;-)
C.A.G.
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 05:16:17 PM EDT, <bulk...@mmnet.com.au>
wrote:
Looks great on the bone curt I bet Tim Ks quick change reversing gears helped a
lot with doing it
It’s a pain when you have to swap the gears over to do the other direction and
hoping the teeth
mesh right.
Bill
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2022 4:16 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New bone turning projects
Hello again everyone.
Its not 100% done but here is today's bone "Diamond Pattern" also called
Checkering.
This simple pattern is a very real pain. 12 starts right handed and then
reversed 12 left.
4" pitch. Using a V bit at a 1/16" depth of cut/plunge .
My nerves are shot after doing this one. I found myself holding my breath a
number of time
while cutting.
Im going back out to the shop now and make some sawdust. this one is to much
like work for me
to do on a Sunday. ;-p
Have a great day everyone.
more latter.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 01:17:49 AM EDT, Curt George
<curt....@yahoo.com> wrote:
:-)
C.A.G.
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 09:26:45 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <timjz...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks Curt, there was some interesting processes explained this time.
So basically you flatten the run the hole saw through again. Now I'm liking
this process more.
see I run the disc with out the hole then drill the hole after I flatten them.
More accurate but much slower.
Now I will see how that goes for me, Sunday.
Out all day tomorrow at a Craft Fair selling lasered goods.
Thanks again for additional and much needed details.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:38 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hello Again Tim.
The beauty of this jig. is you can drill any size hole, Most pen turning kits
use some type of brass rod, you can use your collet chuck and drill out any
size hole you need, then putting a dowel or another rod in the V block will
make sure everything is set properly for what ever size disk you want to make.
I do like the barrel trimer inside the diamond hole saw, it speeds things up
greatly for me.
What I do it drill/flatten with the barrel trimmer, one side of the bone disk
only, and then drill out the disk all together with another hole saw of the
same size as the barrel trimer, the sanding will flatten the other side,
this method gives me a thickest disk possible (form the bone I'm cutting.) One
side is flat, (giving me a flat to put against the V block.) Sanding takes
seconds to do, Bone sands so quickly its scary, compared to the way it cuts.
(which is MUCH slower.)
I have to get to work now.
Have a good day. (I will be back at "O"Dark hundred/ Midnight. ) ;-)
C.A.G.
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 11:04:27 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <timjz...@gmail.com>
wrote:
send and end view of your V block with the rod in position and with a disc
attached.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:29 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Tim here are some photo of my bone salvage. Every one of these bones could not
be used before, but today I can use them... ;-)
Happy Days!
C.A.G.
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 09:37:06 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Tim the method is the rod in the V block.
The hole I drill into the disk is the same as the rod (its a snug fit ). by
putting the disk over the rod, and then moving the block to the sanding disk
,The bone disk is in-between the two flat surfaces. sand, turn the disk 90
deg. and check to make sure the disk in flat, then inspect the hole disk for
any flaws, Re-sand if nessasary, or put the sanded disk in the jar for glue up.
The hole process only takes a few sec. per disk. WAY faster then the old method.
I hope this helps?
talk to you more latter.
C.A.G.
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 06:38:17 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <timjz...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks Curt,
that does look like a reasonable price, I am ordering a set also for drilling
in dowels and mounted in a stand will
be a great aid in cutting rounds on the Chopsaw.
I still don't see your method of holding the disc in place when sanding? Am I
missing something?
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:47 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/VB-1-Capacity-Block-Clamp-Pair/dp/B000P49854/ref=sr_1_4?crid=14ELB20T0XU8X&keywords=machinist+vee+blocks&qid=1661488982&sprefix=Vee+block%2Caps%2C94&sr=8-4
Its called a machinist V block. I bought mine back in the 80's but Amazon
sells then at a fair price.
C.A.G.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 05:09:11 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
No what are you holding the Disc with when you put it up to your sander?
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:18 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Not the rod that I am sanding on, but Yes I do glue a brass rod in the middle
of my bone turnings, most of the time.
I did a bottle stopper and a few pull knobs where I did not glue a brass rod
on, But for most of the turnings that I have done, there is a brass rod in the
middle of them.
C.A.G.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 04:50:35 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
So you're gluing it to the brass rod?
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 11:16 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hey Tim.
Can you be more clear, More pix? of which part?
Here is another photo of the sanding of my disks.
What I did here is, I put a brass rod (the same as the ones I use on my
project.) In this Vee block. the brass rod is holding the disk, the back side
of the disk is flat on the steel Vee block. I clamped the straight edges pieces
of wood onto my table. using this as my guide to keep the disk and the sanding
plate square to each other.
I sand the disk flat, and then turn 90 deg. and kiss the disk again to make
sure the bone is flat and true to the Vee block.
Sanding bone is very quick, although somewhat messy/dusty. I weir my raspier
mask when sanding.
On the good side of things, using this method, lets me use small/thinner bone
disks that I would have throw away using my earlier methods. (basically due to
there being no way I could hold the very thin bone disk in a chuck to face off
.)
I hope this helps answer some of the questions?
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:36:01 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
You might have to share some pix of that Curt. As you know my process is super
accurate but extremely labor intense.
More later
Tim
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 9:11 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hello Tim
As I make more the time is getting much better.
I've been using a new method of trueing up the bone, I am sanding the bone on a
holder to get them fat and true to each other. All three method that I've
used in the past work, but this new way is more precise then the first way I
sanded the disks, and much faster the using the steel lathe.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 06:41:55 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah its got good color for sure.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 3:31 AM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
Very nice curt very uniform color this time
Bill
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
<legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2022 3:34 PM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: New bone turning projects
Here is a better photo.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:02:20 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
I got some free time to finish this glass/bone handle off tonight.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 05:53:06 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
<timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose once I quit trying to run 2 business's maybe I'll have more free time
lol.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 1:29 PM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
Curt has been doing it longer your turn will come Tim, both of you together
have more projects done than me lol
Bill
From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> On
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2022 1:45 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New bone turning projects
Curt seems to get the most projects done. I only play and don't have but a pile
of spindles to show for it lol.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:32 AM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <legac...@iglide.net>
wrote:
I wondered why you were so quiet, You were a busy boy! Nice job!
Mike OK
On 8/23/2022 8:38 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
I made these over this weekend.
C.A.G.
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