John, Every best wish to yourself also. I don't think we should go into the local government set up too much. I was a councillor and committee chairman of the Borough of High Peak and whilst we had a mayor from the time it was established (1974) we opted not to have aldermen. With respect to locations, the interesting thing is that whilst people would give the location as Kingston upon Thames in our case virtually nobody uses the name High Peak, so a location would be eg. Glossop, Derbyshire and not Glossop, High Peak, Derbyshire
Ron Ferguson _____________________________________________________________________ Now completely revised http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _____________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:05:10 +0000 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More countries > From: adrianjohncl...@googlemail.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > > The difference between a Borough and a Town is a nice one. Our Town, > Kingston upon Thames for instance is a Borough (a Royal Borough to be > precise, but that is another game). I think most charters have gone to > Boroughs by which I implied towns. The normal wording of the charter > is addressed to the Mayor Aldermen and Burgesses of the Borough ( > notice is does not mention Councillors) a point which, as an Alderman > (Honorary) I never fail to mention to mere Councillors, despite the > minor fact of their being elected. > The main point was to distinguish them from Urban and Rural District > Councils and Improvement Commissioners who all have a Chairman, but I > accept that there are Boroughs which may not be considered Towns > Regards (and a happy new year to you) > John > > 2009/1/25 ronald ferguson : >> >> John, >> >> Just to muddy the waters a bit ;-). A Borough also has a Mayor eg. The >> Borough of High Peak. (or can have, might be more accurate). >> >> >> >> Ron Ferguson >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> >> Now completely revised >> http://www.fergys.co.uk >> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ >> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: >> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:37:08 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More countries >>> From: adrianjohncl...@googlemail.com >>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >>> >>> The USA structure was set up quite late in the history of things and >>> thus has a generally standard form, in the same way perhaps as its >>> towns have a grid system for their layout. The English ( and Scots and >>> NI) system are more generally based on the concept of giving enough >>> information to find the place. There will normally be a county, >>> although technically Cities were outside the counties and >>> administratively separate (towns were part of counties). >>> No English County actually uses the word county except Durham ( which >>> can be understood either way). Some counties such as Worcestershire, >>> will have the -shire ending, although using Worcester on its own would >>> not be a total heresy (Worcester would normally refer to the City of >>> Worcester but the address would generally make it all clear). Some, >>> such as Surrey, Kent, Middlesex, Essex, Sussex and Cornwall are never >>> called a shire. Others would be a shire such as Devon, Somerset, >>> Dorset and so on are shires but, if you were to put Dorset on a letter >>> it would get there. One oddity is that Hampshire was, a long time ago, >>> known as Southamptonshire (as opposed to Northamptonshire) so you >>> might see that in old documents (Shakespeare mentions it for instance >>> in Henry V I think). >>> In the USA there seems to be little difference between a town and a >>> city, but in England a town is a place which has received a Charter >>> from the monarch and is therefore of higher status than a village. A >>> City is a place where there is a Cathedral ( and therefore a >>> Bishop).This generally means they are large, although St Asaph in >>> Wales is pretty small. Some towns have been elevated to City status by >>> Government edict, especially recently. Some Cathedral cities which >>> have been established recently, such as Guildford are quite proud of >>> of staying as towns rather than being Cities. >>> A City has a Lord Mayor as first citizen whereas a Town has a Mayor >>> and everything else has a Chairman of the Council. >>> I hope that this makes things clearer rather than more difficult. If >>> I can help on more arcane points please ask. >>> John >>> 2009/1/25 Eliz Hanebury : >>>> It is very true that in the USofA there are independant cities and >>>> boros which aren't part of a County or township we like to keep >>>> you on the hop >>>> >>>> Eliz >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Dermot McGlone >>>> wrote: >>>>> Shelly, >>>>> >>>>> As all of my ancestors (so far) are Irish, I can comment on the Irish >>>>> part of your question, at least in regard to how I do it (the same can >>>>> usually be said to be true of Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and >>>>> Wales). >>>>> >>>>> Generally I use the following for Ireland: Town, County, Country, and >>>>> any more exact part of the location, such as street name or townland I >>>>> include in the address (by clicking on the "plus" symbol beside the >>>>> details on the Individual's information screen), e.g., I would enter >>>>> my location as Ballymote, County Sligo, Ireland, but as I live in the >>>>> countryside in a townland outside the town of Ballymote I would >>>>> include that information using the "Plus" button. >>>>> >>>>> Everywhere in Ireland is part of a county (unlike some cities in USA, >>>>> for example, which do not appear to be), and the county is always >>>>> written as above, i.e., County Sligo, and not Sligo County. Don't >>>>> forget, of course, the history of the country/countries here, Northern >>>>> Ireland and the Republic of Ireland have only existed in their current >>>>> form for a little over 80 years, and prior to that were one country, >>>>> and part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. >>>>> >>>>> As regards locations in England, Scotland and Wales, you wouldn't >>>>> normally include United Kingdom (UK) or Great Britain (GB), the >>>>> country name is usually sufficient. Also counties in these three >>>>> countries are generally (though not always) known as shires, and are >>>>> often shortened in addresses, or sometimes not included at all, except >>>>> in places where there may be confusion. I'm sure Ron Ferguson will be >>>>> able to give you more info on this, as he's the expert on it on the >>>>> LUG. >>>>> >>>>> Now back to childcare, it's quite difficult to type one-handed with a >>>>> one-year-old on yoru knee also trying to copy what Daddy's doing! >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Dermot. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Try out Legacy Family Tree Software today! It's FREE!! >>>>> http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/1/25 Michele Lewis : >>>>>> How about these counties? How many divisions? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Ireland >>>>>> Northern Ireland >>>>>> England >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Scotland >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to hear from people who actually do reseach in these >>>>>> countries >>>>>> so that I do not mess up the data entry. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shelly >>>>> >>>>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Check out the new and improved services from Windows Live. 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