All I want to do is to be able to say that an individual never married, without having to also say s/he had no children!!
Really, that to me does not seem like an outlandish request!! And I do not understand why I need to switch genealogy programs, as one user has suggested!! It is common knowledge that it is perfectly possible to have children and not be married, so why does Legacy insist (on the individual screen) that the two must be inextricably linked? It makes no sense whatsoever to me, especially in light of the fact that no genealogist can say with certainty that an individual had no children. We know that a man can have children and not even know it himself!! And a woman can have children in some secrecy so that not even her family members know!! As someone has said, you can add "Had no children" elsewhere. On the marriage screen, there are two separate options for "did not marry" and "had no children." Why can there not be those two separate options on the individual screen? (When I was a child and knew nothing of birds and bees, I thought God knew when people got married and arranged for them to have children only if they were married. Maybe Legacy has the same mindset?? :-) ) Pat On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM, R.Dickson <rdi...@copper.net> wrote: > I am still with v5.0.0.97 and I like the way that version handles this > situation. > > On the "Individual Information" screen there is check box for "This > individual Never Married" which shows as "Never Married" on the "Marriage > Information" bar in "Family View". This check box is greyed out if there is > a child, but you can, in that case, mark the "Marriage Status" box as > "Unmarried" if the couple didn't marry. In cases where a relationship > never > really occured (adoption, say) you could the listed status "Other" or add > your own, say, "Single Parent". > > In the case where you may know for sure that the individual never married, > make a notation in the "General" or "Research" notes. > > If you MUST have (for your own satisfaction) the fact of never marrired out > where you can see it, you could put it in the "Title Suffix" box maybe on > the "Individual Information" screen (not sure how this would look in > reports/charts). > > In short, I like the seperation of the two "facts" (guess that wasn't so > short after all). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ward Walker" <wnkwal...@rogers.com> > To: <LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:07pm > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages > > > I think the programmer is correct and only one checkbox is required. Since > it is causing confusion, perhaps the label for the checkbox needs to be > enhanced (or use a pop-up help) -- something along the lines of "This > person > never married nor had any relationship that produced a child." > > If the person did marry (officially or common-law), then you don't need > this > checkbox at all as you can state in the 'marriage' window(s) that the > couple > had no children. > > If the person had a child from a non-marriage relationship, do we really > need to have a field that states that the person is known to have never had > an official marriage (or long-time commitment)? That can always go in > Notes, > if it is important for some reason. > > I think it would be odd to find a source that proves the negative: that a > person never did something. One can source that the person died young or > had > some debilitating illness. Isn't that sufficient? > > The only problematic case that has come up so far is the single-parent > adoption example. You might want to show that the person never married nor > had any relationship that produced a biological child, but Legacy > presumably > disables the current checkbox once you add the adopted child. It would > probably get too fancy for Legacy to detect the adopted status and enable > the checkbox. I would just use Notes. > > Ward > > -----Original Message----- > From: mbstx > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 10:18 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages > > This cuts to the heart of the matter, and I agree with the request. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Boyd Miller <bo...@vodafone.net.nz> > >Sent: Jun 21, 2013 5:05 AM > >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages > > > > This highlights the need to be able to source these two parts of the > >"fact" separately. > >Boyd > >On 21/06/2013 1:17 p.m., Tony Rolfe wrote: > >> Can we go back to the original request and forget about all the > >> extraneous waffle which has appeared on this subject. Just because > >> Legacy must create a "marriage" record whenever a child is added to a > >> parent, it doesn't mean that a real-world marriage actually occurred. > >> > >> It is frequently easy to tell that a person never married. It is > >> usually impossible to state with any certainty that someone had no > >> children. > >> > >> Can we please split the "This person never married and had no children" > >> fact into two separate facts? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> Tony > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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