Many thanks, I see the significance.




From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree....@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 9:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



A Calculated date would most usually be a date of birth that is calculated from 
the date of death as some times stated on older death records.



Like a person who died on Nov. 4, 1975 and his tombstone reads aged 51 Years, 9 
Months 18 days.

Since there is no birth record to substantiate an exact date, the date should 
be listed as Cal. Jan 22, 1824.







Many young infants who have death records and no birth records can be found are 
often using a calculated birth date based upon the age notaded in the death 
register.



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Bob Austen <rgaus...@telus.net> wrote:

Hi Jay,



Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the 
rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular 
purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others 
are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill in date?    
I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to 
differentiate between that terminology and my guess.



I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often 
put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the 
individual.



Bob



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree....@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Bob,



You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a 
calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated 
date.



However you use the program within your PC................. and is best for you 
......is great.

But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into 
consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.











On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen <rgaus...@telus.net> wrote:

If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I use Cal 
(Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* 
guess and did not come from any other source.

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

I have now confused myself:

Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above 
child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming 
parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

Any more suggestions please ?

Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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