Bob, In the example you provided I would think that either Abt. or Cir. (Circa) would both work fine.
They both imply that the actual date should be around that time. Remember, your basing her age of 21 as someone else "estimation" or did the other person have "specific" data to know her true age. Maybe she was 25 but looked 21? As a general rule of thumb I use the about in almost all circumstances, I do use Circa, but that is usually only for implication of a date for a spouse. There are no black and white rules here, but it is best to try to avoid potential confusion in consideration that many persons who eventually will see, use, save, share your data may not be privy to your specific instances of how you applied each term. Jay On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Bob Austen <rgaus...@telus.net> wrote: > I regard Circa or About as an approximate date based on supplied data of > some significance - say a census, birth/death/marriage certificate - where > the date can be closely determined. Example, if a marriage took place in > 1921 and the bride's age was shown as 21 years one could assume her birth > to be "about" 1900 (likely 1899-1900). I would enter this as "c 1900". Her > birth would be expected to be at least 21 years, and not more than 22 > years, prior to the marriage date. She could have been born in 1899! Did I > "calculate" this date? No... I determined/derived her birth based on the > given data. "Calculate" must have a more significant meaning than simple > addition (math). > > So I am looking for an acceptable, cross platform (other programs), term > that I can simply put in as an approximate date (guess/best estimate) that > won't be misinterpreted by others viewing my data. Apparently "Est" is not > acceptable and it seems that "Calculated" has a specific meaning of which I > am not privy to. I would like to know what that meaning is and the > accepted norm for its usage. Sorry, I really am at a loss on this, > especially when it seems everyone else will assume Cal to be a calculated > date. > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net] > Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 7:27 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt > > As one of the "rest of you," allow me to pipe in here. I suppose an > honest, though humorous entry would be "guess" instead of Estimated, but > Estimated means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard the > term about, or abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you find it to > have been a (wild) guess. Sometimes it is based on an often used formula, > but isn't that also a guess? I rather like using the term Estimated. I must > admit that I've used Est as an abbreviation for that, but since I've > learned from this list that some of you think that Est means Established, I > will, in the future, spell it out. <sigh> > > Joseph Leavitt > > > > On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote: > > > > Hi Jay, > > > > Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and > > when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for > > another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you > > understand it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you > use ‘Est’ > > as a guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to > > change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that > > terminology and my guess. > > > > I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will > > most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an > > estimate/guess) to better sort the individual. > > > > Bob > > > > *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree....@gmail.com] > > *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM > > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt > > > > Bob, > > > > You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not > > a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a > > calculated date. > > > > However you use the program within your PC................. and is > > best for you ......is great. > > > > But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take > > into consideration that others will never know you changed the > > expected data. > > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen <rgaus...@telus.net > > <mailto:rgaus...@telus.net>> wrote: > > > > If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c) > > I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a > > 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source. > > > > Bob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com > > <mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com>] > > Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM > > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > > Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt > > > > I have now confused myself: > > > > Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890 > > > > Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818 > > > > Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 - > > source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of > > above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth > > dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born > > child > > > > Any more suggestions please ? > > > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > > > > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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