Hi Shirley, yes, I always insert the state abbreviation in the newspaper
title after the name of the city or town. I don't know why the Legacy
template provides a field for the state which does not output. I
believe I read in EE that it's fine to do this (insert the state
abbreviation) for clarification in the newspaper title.
Barton
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Shirley Crampton wrote:
Barton
With this citation it is important to include Michigan since there is a
Grand Rapids in either Illinois or Indiana.
Shirley
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:05 PM, BARTON LEWIS
<bartonle...@optonline.net <mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> > wrote:
I agree. The only 2 options Legacy includes for online obituaries that
are "issued by unrelated content provider" have the descriptor "online
images" in them. I'm not sure if there is any material effect on the
citation by using the template for an obituary that has been
transcribed. The output I provided appears to be clear and sufficient,
so I guess that's what counts. Still, it might be nice if the template
were styled "Newspapers>Online images or transcriptions (issued by
unrelated content provider" (my change in bold).
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, bobstree2 wrote:
I will not get involved in the "correct way" of sourcing, that is a
personal choice. But i do see a major distinction between an image and
a transcription.
An image is a picture of an actual item as it exists to the
photographer/scanner.
But a transcription is someone's interpretation of the actual item. A
transcription is subject to clerical errors, missing information
accidentally or intentional, and or personal conclusions and/or
editing.
An image is closer to a Primary Source depending on many factors.
A transcription is definitely Secondary Source at best.
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From: BARTON LEWIS <bartonle...@optonline.net
<mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net> >
Date: 7/14/17 10:28 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] citing an online obituary
Hi Cathy,
Thank you for your reply. However, I did take a look at the existing
templates (I thought my post reflected that). I also may have provided
"TMI" (I tend to do this), was not sufficiently succinct and/or asked
obvious questions. For example, in the template I ended up selecting,
"Newspapers>Online images (issued by unrelated content provider)," I
asked if "issued" means "published on this website," which I assume it
does. I also nitpicked about the use of "online image;" I assume that
is equivalent to a transcription although it seems somewhat imprecise.
The distinction is perhaps not important.
The output for my obituary is:
"Andrew Kulesa," Grand Rapids Press, 23 Aug 2014; database, MLive Media
Group
(http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191
<http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?pid=172223191>
: accessed 14 Jul 2017), Obituaries.
I think this is good. The only gripe I have is that, although the
template provides a field for "State," this does not appear in the
output. I think the way around this is to insert the state's
abbreviation in parentheses between "Rapids" and "Press."
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:13 AM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Barton,
There may not be any - take a look.
Cathy
Barton Lewis wrote:
So here’s a source citation problem that I would be interested in
hearing feedback about: I found an obituary for someone that provides
his mother’s maiden name, an important link to a DNA match that I
haven’t been able to obtain otherwise. The obituary is on a website
for a company that calls itself “[X] Media Group” (the “X” is
replacing its actual name). The obit came up when Googling the man’s
mother’s married name, and appears on a page that has the following
inscription at top: “Obituaries & Guestbooks Provided by Funeral
Directors & Families from the Grand Rapids Press.” X Media Group, on
its About Us page states it is “an audience-first venture encompassing
content, sales, and ma
rketing professionals that care deeply about
digital marketing.” Which Master Source template should I use? The
obituary is not issued by the publisher, if “issued” is the same as
published on the website in question, correct? The templates which
include “issued by unrelated content provider” would seem to be the
correct ones, but they all include the categorization “online image.”
Is there a difference between an “online image” and a transcription of
the obituary? Is the former an actual digital image of the obituary as
it appeared in the newspaper? If so, is it appropriate to use this
template since the obituary is a transcription?
Finally, why is there a separate category for some of the templates
that includes “periodicals” in front of the rest of the descriptors,
e.g. “Newspapers>online archives>issued by the publisher” vs.
“Periodicals>Newspapers>online archives&
gt;issued by the publisher”;
what’s the difference between the two?
Thanks,
Barton
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