My husband thought it seemed like a lot of work with little benefit. When he saw the advantages, he suggested writing a computer program that will do it automatically for researchers. He's always looking for an easy way. However, as I stated in a previous reply, the process of renumbering to this system has helped me analyze my records. I feel my tree is more solid now.
Sue--#1.0 :) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Janetzko Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering MRINS--Use Dollarhide's system Sue, Thanks for the explanation. I just said a little prayer of thanks that parents give their children names (no matter WHAT those names are) rather than numbers!!! ;) I have also never been so thankful for those relationship words - parent, brother sister, aunt, uncle, cousin, etc. This is undoubtedly the most indefensible numbering system for anything that I can recall. The whole point of assigning a number to anything is to provide an absolutely unambiguous identifier that can be used by everyone to ensure that they are referring to exactly the same thing. An example would be the unique Social Security Number by which individuals can be matched between various records and files, regardless of whether they are using the first name only, first name and middle initial or name, first name with spouse's surname, one of many possible nicknames, or even if the surname is misspelled or has been changed. But the Dollarhide "system" requires everyone using it to assign a DIFFERENT number to the very SAME individual. The accurate sharing of data is totally impossible using this numbering "system", and anyone receiving a copy of your file would have to start all over assigning the numbers-from-hell to every individual. Since the number will be essentially random from one file to the next, I see no advantage to be gained from having to manually assign this number rather than just using the default random numbers assigned by Legacy. Bob -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sue Ellen Eggett Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 08:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering MRINS--Use Dollarhide's system Look for his sample page in "An Awful Ahnentafel" article. He shows examples of just about every kind of relationship. First generation numbering: If I am 1.0, then my father is 2.0, my mother 3.0; my grandfather is double my father 4.0, my grandmother is one more 5.0; my great grandfather is double my grandfather 8.0, my grandmother 9.0. I am third in my family. My oldest sibling's number is half of my father's number, so it is "1" like mine. Because she is the first child, she becomes 1.1, my second sibling 1.2. Normally my number would be 1.3 but I keep 1.0 to show I am a direct line descendant. The next child in my father's family is 1.4. Descendent numbering: Another number is added to the end of my number or those of my siblings. My first child is 1.01. His first child is 1.011. My grandchild's first child becomes 1.0111; the second child is 1.0112. My oldest sister's first child is 1.11 and so forth. Second generation numbering: My father is the seventh of twelve children in his father's family. He would be 2.7 but because he is direct line, the number 7 is skipped but again the .0 holds his place in the chronology. The next sibling becomes 2.8. Letters of the alphabet are used after the 9th child. The tenth child is 2.A; eleventh 2.B; twelfth child 2.C. Without the letters the tenth child would be 2.10 which makes him look like he's part of the next, generation. Collateral line numbering: My aunt is the fifth child in my father's family 2.5. Her first child is 2.51; second child is 2.52; and third child is 2.53 and so forth. Children for her first child become 2.511, 2.512, 2.513. Because there are three digits after the point I know the person is a child of a child of my aunt who is my father's fifth sibling. If I were to list all of her descendants, it could look like 2.5631. My grandfather's first sibling is 4.1. Her children are 4.11, 4.12, 4.13, 4.14... Her grandchildren from the first child are 4.111, 4.112, 4.113... My great grandfather's first sibling is 8.1. Her children are 8.11, 8.12, 8.13... My great great grandfather's first sibling is 16.1. Her children are 16.11, 16.12, 16.13... Long lines: Each generation number doubles. My 7th great grandfather's number is 512.0. His first child is 256.1. This numbering system can handle many more generations and their collateral lines, and I can tell how each person connects to me without opening their file. This is really just a nutshell's worth. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jennifer Crockett Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering MRINS--Use Dollarhide's system Hi Sue I must confess my eyes glazed over when I saw all those ones and zeros in Dollarhide's binary system. Also, he is talking about pedigree ancestors. What about second and third cousins, great aunts etc? I need a system of numbering to include them too. Carol asked a question below about intermarriages. I would also be interested to know if the binary system would cope with that. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Ellen Eggett Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering MRINS--Use Dollarhide's system Because numbering systems are mostly for our own use anyway, I've made a few minor changes from William Dollarhide's numbering system to suit my special needs. In some instances I have given a person two numbers separated by a slash. I then immediately know by the two numbers that the person is connected into my tree more than once. When I look at the name list in Legacy with the option of the unique ID #'s showing rather than the RIN I can readily identify a direct line son, father, and grandfather who have the very same name. The father's number is always double the son's number. Add one number to the father's number to create the mother's number. (Father=2; mother=3) This way the father is always an even number and the mother is always an odd number. I know that Legacy can bold direct line ancestors in the name list, but in addition, I know that anyone with a point zero (.0) is obviously a direct ancestor. When I am doing merges within my own records, I can readily tell people apart because they have this "code" number. When a child is named the same as an earlier sibling who died, the number lets me know that they are two individuals. If I am merging someone else's data with mine, I can always be certain of which record is my original because of his unique number. For those who have not read how the numbering system works, this may seem confusing. I suggest that anyone who is unhappy with the random RIN and MRIN numbers take time to read Dollarhide's articles. He gives an excellent sample page that I kept by my computer for easy reference while learning and doing it. I changed over to this way of numbering a little bit at a time. My husband looked at what I did and said, "Hey, I think I can write a program that will do that automatically." :( Sue -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol Wait Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering MRINS--Use Dollarhide's system Sue, How would this work with a lot of inter marriages? Some of my family is so convoluted it's hard to follow, so the easiest way for me to follow the generations down is to use Tree Draw and make charts. 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