Randy McMurchy wrote: > Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 07/23/05 19:38 CST: >> On 7/23/05, Greg Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>Where is the development happening? I do not see it happening on the LFS >>>lists. >> >> I think the development happens on IRC coz I have not seen any major >> discussion on the lists. > > If this is true, then it sucks. As has been requested by many users > of the mail lists, development should happen here, not on IRC.
I agree with Randy here 100%. I've expressed my views privately on this matter before with Gerard and more recently with Matt. IRC when used incorrectly is most definitely unhealthy for LFS, if not unethical. What's worse is that it now seems every LFS team member has become one of "them" ie: the dreaded IRC junkie. The IRC crowd just does not seem to get it. If you discuss things and make decisions on IRC then you are doing yourselves and everyone else a dis-service because no "information trail" is left for search engines to pick up. This is a CRITICAL problem. Any sane person should realize that search engines play a pivotal role in the modern Internet world, and even more so in the Open Source sphere. Think about it for a moment, think about the word "Open". What you guys say on IRC is effectively behind closed doors -- it's not "Open". There are ways to fix it: - log all public IRC sessions and put them up on the web so search engines can find the text - ban all LFS development from occurring on IRC - ban all IRC altogether :-) I was joking with the third one, obviously. Introducing edicts and whatnot asking folks to post summaries to mailing lists etc just doesn't cut the mustard. It's way too easy for it not to happen and it just isn't robust, and it's been proved right here with Jim's commit. By all means, use IRC for the things that it's good for, providing support, discussing experiences, fostering community, meaningless banter etc. LFS could learn a helluva lot from the GCC project. Some GCC dev's use IRC to thrash out development issues before making patches and posting them to the list. The big difference is that GCC has a formal patch submission and peer review process which means that nothing falls thru' the cracks and information loss is minimized. It should be clear by now that I don't do IRC. I've dabbled with it in the past but the f'wit factor was just too high for me. If I were to be really cynical I would speculate that hardcore IRC junkies are... socially deficient in the real world... or have personality defects... or have power hungry delusions... or suffer from short person syndrome, or bald head syndrome, or tiny peni^H^H^H^H <insert your fav' syndrome here>.. but luckily I'm not cynical :-) My 2 cents and all IMHO. Regards Greg -- http://www.diy-linux.org/ -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
