Archaic wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:56:05PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >>IOW, I think the level of the book is just right. > > > Please, Bruce, do not take offense at this,
None taken. but the only posts I've seen > from you in lfs-support this year are 2 in August and they were both > release announcements. Also, I never see you in #lfs-support. I know you > are busy, but those 2 places are the only real guage of the level of the > book. There is one other guage, but I guess its not public. I measure it from the questions and level of understanding (exams!) that my students have. I admit I don't frequent -support or irc very much. > And this pot will call itself black, too, because you won't see any > posts from me, either, as I really can't stand it anymore. As I have > time, I support things in the various IRC channels (though usually only > see them when someone specifically calls my attention to it). > > I, and many others who have no problem sorting out legitimate errors > (which sometimes even leads to FAQ entries or book changes), have > steadily gained a disdain for people asking questions with absolutely no > prerequisite knowledge of linux. They don't read the links, or they > can't understand them. However, our book is so easy that they can > continue on only to be stopped early and post a flurry of support > requests. This was not prevalent back in 2000. And from my perspective, > neither was flaming, but rather an un-coddled response to the realities > of the situation. My students have a minimum of one OS Course that compares/contrasts Unix/Linux with that other OS and two Unix/Linux specific courses. There are times when I've wanted to tell a student to find another major :), but of course, I can't do that. > Without being rude, some people just need to be told they aren't ready > for LFS until they gain the requisite knowledge, though this scenario > wouldn't even be prevalent if the book avoided holding their hands. Case > in point is a particular person who spammed the lfs, blfs, and livecd > support lists for several weeks. Coddling doesn't work. > > In your class you have the power to teach them what you will. The book > can be your basis, but I'm sure it isn't the majority of what you teach. > The finer points should be what we focus on, not the requisite points. No, there is BLFS too. :) (And a couple of other things, but you may be suprised how little extra is really required. Basically, you need to know what apps/libraries are needed and how to configure them properly.) > All IMO, of course, and I know some people will think I'm completely off > my rocker. So be it. It doesn't change the fact that linux newbs too > readily come to lfs. I feel your pain. :) -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
