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On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Conley <bri...@smallworldnews.tv> wrote:

> Aha interesting so the speculation is that GFW tech is being exported to Cuba 
> Zimbabwe and Belarus? What is the evidence??
> 
> On Jan 23, 2013 11:25 PM, "pacificboy" <pacific...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brian
> sorry for the poor typo just typing fast on iphone will have errors. i am 
> latino but born in the States. To answer you question according to reporters 
> without borders, "suspects that regimes such as Cuba, Zimbabwe and Belarus 
> have obtained surveillance technology from the People's Republic of China" 
> from report entitled "Going online in Cuba: Internet under surveillance dated 
> 2006.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Brian Conley <bri...@smallworldnews.tv> wrote:
> 
>> Ben says "imports" Ben do you mean china gets their tech from other 
>> countries (imports) or sends their tech TO other countries (exports)
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> PS if another language is easier for you please use it! Si un otra lengua 
>> yes mejor para tu, por favor usarlo! Lo siento mi espanol es muy mal, pero 
>> por que su nombre esta arroyo yo creo habla espanol.
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2013 10:17 PM, "pacificboy" <pacific...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the news it has been mentioned and recently the authorizes came to my 
>> friends work place and order them to stop using vpn at their offices. Also 
>> if you google on you tube vpn illegal in china you see videos discussing 
>> this issue. example illegal vpn china weekly hagout dated one month ago by 
>> fons tuinstra or chinese security cracks down on VPN.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 24, 2013, at 1:40 PM, "Eric S Johnson" <cra...@oneotaslopes.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Bert raises an interesting question―where cybercensorship technology comes 
>>> from.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We know Huawei and/or ZTE make routers and switches to compete with Cisco, 
>>> and almost by definition, that’s the level on which cybercensorship takes 
>>> place. But I know of no cases where “the Chinese have exported the Great 
>>> Firewall.” I’ve been to almost all of the major cybercensoring countries of 
>>> the world, and their systems all seem to differ substantially enough from 
>>> the Chinese one (and/or we have some information about how their 
>>> cybercensorship works and/or where it came from). Not to mention that 
>>> building a cybercensorship system isn’t really terribly complicated.
>>> 
>>>                Does anyone have any evidence that “the Chinese are 
>>> exporting the [hardware or software behind the] GFW” (beyond hearsay, 
>>> supposition, unfounded allegations, etc.)? (I’m not talking about the 
>>> reports of planned re-export of US communications equipment to IR.)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cybersurveillance … that’s a different ball (or even kettle) of wax. (For 
>>> instance, we do have a lot of evidence of the export of Russian 
>>> cybersurveillance systems.)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> PGP
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu 
>>> [mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Bert Arroyo
>>> Sent: 24 January 2013 12.00
>>> To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu
>>> Subject: [liberationtech] VPN now illegal in China
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Most of the discussion ion the Libtech forum, if I may states, forgot one 
>>> important thing, China imports its tech to other countries that censor 
>>> their citizen by using Chinese censorship software and their infamous Great 
>>> Firewall.
>>> 
>>>  
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