On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Jacob Appelbaum <ja...@appelbaum.net> wrote:
> Patrick Mylund Nielsen: > > If it's so easy, go ahead and produce a more secure alternative that > people > > will use. Talking about how exceedingly easy it is in Internet forums > > doesn't contribute much. > > > > I'm not sure if you're away but Maxim did exactly this many years ago. > He wrote a system called cables: > > http://dee.su/cables > > What I hear from you is a common idea: it is the idea is that people who > don't build those systems don't have a right to voice negative or > critical views. > > When we degrade others for their criticisms by suggesting that they only > get to speak if they've met some arbitrary bar for entry is > dis-empowering. I know that we all do this but perhaps it isn't the best > way to move forward? > > While I think Maxim is viewed as exceedingly harsh in how he writes, I > think that your response is really the wrong way to deal with him. We > should consider that his cultural background is different and that as > far as I understand it, he isn't a native english speaker. Between the > two things, perhaps we might just ask him to be nicer? > > Allow me to try a different tactic: > > Hey - Maxim - people appreciate what you have to say but when you say it > in a way that they perceive harshly, they can't hear your pretty > reasonable advice. I think you might care about this - albeit moderately > - still, I think you'd reach a lot of people if they understood it in a > different frame. Probably people don't understand that you're a one man > powerhouse of anonymity and security projects (cables, Liberté Linux, > etc), they probably stop thinking when they feel insulted or that you've > insulted someone else. :( > Great, constructive idea. I've also wanted to commend Nadim for making an honest, humble public apology and spending a lot of time publicly talking through what happened. (We don't see that kind of thing in the nonprofit world--I can't think of a single example). Certainly that was the right thing to do, but he could have been a defensive jerk about it. He has his eye on the ball--helping people at risk keep their communications safe in as accessible a way as possible. Both of you know that it's not a game. Kate Krauss Executive Director AIDS Policy Project www.AIDSPolicyProject.org User > All the best, > Jacob > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >
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