On 10-07-13 00:57, h0ost wrote: > On 07/09/2013 06:25 PM, Petter Ericson wrote: >>> >>>> What are the steps for sending Bob a message using Cables? >>>> >>>> This isn't rhetorical, I'd actually like to know what the steps are. >>> >>> Roughly I think this is correct: >>> >>> 0. Download https://www.dee.su/liberte >>> 1. Boot any modern computer with the usb disk inserted >>> 2. launch Claws email client >>> 3) write message to bob's cable address and press send >>> >>> If you have a supported platform, you can skip 0-2 and replace it with >>> 'install cables' - as one might install a modern browser. >> >> I do not think that installing a modern browser entails building it from >> source for most people. >> >>> >>> If you're going to say that using Gmail easily happens in any browser on >>> any OS, I guess I'd tend to disagree. >>> >>> If we add "securely" into the picture, I guess I'd just laugh and laugh >>> and laugh. Sadly. It is really a bummer that PRISM exists and that >>> Google appears to be under the boot of that system. Though accessing >>> Gmail with Chrome is clearly better than any other choice! >>> >> >> Unfortunately, the question wasn't how to communicate _securely_, but how to >> communicate _at all_, which is what most people aim to do in the first place. >> Please do not pretend that <hash>@<hash>.onion is as easy to remember as >> j...@cervant.es or something similar, or that installing dependencies and >> building from source is similar to a one-click installer. >> >> Best >> >> /P > > Well, not be cynical, but I think "people" would have to exert a few > more iotas of energy, and learn how use Tor or software like cables > starting from now on. Unless their freedom is something not that > important to them. > > I mean, people all over have learned how to lock their doors, right? It > is definitely inconvenient for me to lock my damn doors at 8 o'clock in > the morning, as I am rushing off to work. But I do it, because it has > been impressed upon me that it is rather important to do so for obvious > reasons.
I think, it is too much to ask of people to change their ways. Most of the front doors around here fall into closed mode with a gentle push. The wedge shape part makes that automatically. Especially in an 8 o'clock rush. The reason people lock these doors is fear of theft. With email, there is no fear, nor theft. And there is nothing to hide... I believe the only way forward is to make using security easier than not using security. Ie, secure/privacy by design. That's what cryptocat is trying, dee.su/cables appears to do so in a spectacular easy to use way. Will have to check it out. And so do I try to reach that holy grail too with my eccentric-authentication. Cheers, Guido. http://eccentric-authentication.org/ -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
