Travis Pahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in part:

>> Most people call Pataki and Guiliani "liberal" or "moderate"
>> Republicans. 

>They were also the stars of the convention.  They along with Arnold
>are always mentioned as the future of the party.  Does that say
>something to you?

Yes, it says what I wrote here a few months ago -- that there's opportunity
for libertarian/authoritarian leverage in the GOP.  Giuliani and
Schwarzenegger are frequently mentioned in one breath by Republican
observers as rising stars and as moderates.  And looked at on a
"left-right" scale they may be about equal.  However, on the
libertarian-authoritarian axis there's a great difference between them.

What that means is that influential people in the Republican Party are
mostly indifferent between libertarian and authoritarian "moderates".  That
means it would take relatively little influence by either libertarians or
authoritarians to get one type or the other installed in major offices. 
That's leverage.

>> So, the question is, how will the Dems respond to that?  Will they play
to
>> their base and go further to the left?  Or, will they abandon their
>> discredited economic issues and pick up the opportunities the
Republicans
>> leave them by continued social spending?  Don't laugh, it happened
>> before--in the '30s.  Roosevelt ran for election in 1932 criticizing
Hoover
>> for attempting to fix the economy with government programs for people
who
>> were out of work.  Then, when he got into office, in his famous first
100
>> days, he out-Hoovered Hoover by creating more government programs and
>> spending more government money than Hoover had.  (He also prolonged the
>> Depression by doing so, but that's beside the point.)  

>yeah, it is scary to read his platform in 32.  It sounds so free
>market that you would never guess it is FDR.

And yet you seem so vehement about the Libertarian Party -- as if it
couldn't happen with them.  But we'll never find out, because they're never
getting into power.

>>  But if you go along with Bush's proposal, you may be surprised
>> at how quickly people using the new system start requesting even more
>> freedom than they've just been given!  Darn that'd be a terrible problem
to
>> have--popular demand for more freedom!  :-)

>Like the huge demand to end rent control in NYC?  (something other
>cities did all at once decades ago)

And which is being phased out in NYC as well.

In Your Sly Tribe,
Robert in the Bronx
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