Why don't you all go bicker in private somewhere? JCH
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 3:07 PM Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected]> wrote: > You give GRALTA too little credit. GRALTA does not stop at criticizing > Bibi. It has consistently promoted content that advocates for the > eradication of the state of Israel and of the Jews within it. Steven Low > has publicly made a moral defense of the genocidal attack on October 7th. > > Is there a line for you? Are there any actions GRALTA (or another org) can > take or statements that GRALTA (or another org) can make that would > persuade you that it is problematic? > ᐧ > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 2:34 PM Kathy Madison <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> No Jonathan, I am not suggesting that the murder of ANYONE constitutes a >> legitimate criticism of Israel. >> >> I AM suggesting that the wholesale slaughter of innocent people — whether >> Jewish or Palestinian — is wrong. Always. >> >> My point is that if one criticizes Netanyahu’s brutal, inhumane war >> against the Palestinians people, that does not mean that one is >> antisemitic. Plenty of Israelis do not support the policies of Netanyahoo. >> That does not make them antisemitic. >> My point is that the conflation between legitimate criticism and >> perception of prejudice. >> All based on a logical fallacy, a hasty generalization. >> For example: >> >> Netanyahu is the leader of Israel. Netanyahu is Jewish. >> If you oppose Netanyahu’s leadership, then you’re antisemitic. >> >> Donald Trump is an inveterate liar. Donald Trump is president of the >> United States. >> If you don’t agree with Trump’s lies, then you are a threat to national >> security. >> >> Kathy Madison >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 23, 2025, at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Kathy, >> >> Thank you for your email. Are you suggesting that the murder of Jews on >> American soil constitutes legitimate criticism of Israel? >> >> Also, nobody is attacking universities for criticizing Israel. A small >> number of universities are being penalized for failing to self-regulate >> attacks on Jewish students, faculty, and staff. Universities that have >> successfully given their Jewish students equal protection under the law >> have not been penalized. If you'd like to learn more, I encourage you to >> read Harvard's own investigation of antisemitism on campus >> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/Cb7GUGu9Paw6iBM31AXpRt3S/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harvard.edu%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2025%2F04%2FFINAL-Harvard-ASAIB-Report-4.29.25.pdf> >> to >> understand the context for what is happening there. >> >> Re your final comment: Thank you for making my point. Perhaps it >> would have been more accurate for me to say that GRALTA promotes >> monsterization of Jews instead of demonization. >> >> Jonathan >> ᐧ >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 5:22 PM Kathy Madison via Lincoln < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The consequence of confusing legitimate criticism of Israel with being >>> antisemitic is doing untold damage. Trump now uses the conflation to >>> attack universities and individuals who dare to criticize Israel. >>> >>> To say that Israel has brutally massacred Palestinians, including >>> children, journalists, aid workers & refused aid to the innocent is not >>> antisemitic. It’s a charge supported by the evidence of tens of thousands >>> of innocent lost lives. >>> >>> How do we raise awareness and seek peace if monsters are allowed to hide >>> behind their religion/ethnicity? >>> >>> Kathy Madison >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On May 22, 2025, at 3:26 PM, Seth Rosen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Joan, >>> > >>> > Jonathan Sheffi has already pointed out, in great detail and rather >>> articulately, exactly why the propaganda films being screened in Lincoln by >>> Gralta are anti-Semitic. >>> > >>> > He has also made the point on numerous occasions that perpetuating >>> these false narratives really does have real world consequences. It is not >>> innocuous as some have suggested. And two Israeli kids murdered by a “free >>> Palestine activist” are an unfortunate affirmation of his point. >>> > >>> > While you and your cohort are free to attend the screenings, he too >>> should be free to criticize them. >>> > >>> > Seth >>> > >>> >> On May 22, 2025, at 12:18 PM, Joan Kimball <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> It is both untrue and offensive to link this effort to antisemitism. >>> > -- >>> > The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> > To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> > Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> > Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> > >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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