Or perhaps a new “Lincoln Soft Talk” - only rules are ’no bad jokes and no politics'….not to be redundant? :-)
[email protected] 617 835 3087 (C) __o _'\ <, ..(•) / (•) > On May 23, 2025, at 5:37 PM, steve.low <[email protected]> wrote: > > I haven't read most of these emails, but I thought that Hopson's was spot on. > > > > Regards, > Steve Low > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Sara Mattes <[email protected]> > Date: 5/23/25 5:18 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Justin Hopson <[email protected]> > Cc: Listserv Listserv <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Gralta Foundation > > Just delete. > You are not obligated to read. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 23, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Justin Hopson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Why don't you all go bicker in private somewhere? >> >> JCH >> >> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 3:07 PM Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> You give GRALTA too little credit. GRALTA does not stop at criticizing >>> Bibi. It has consistently promoted content that advocates for the >>> eradication of the state of Israel and of the Jews within it. Steven Low >>> has publicly made a moral defense of the genocidal attack on October 7th. >>> >>> Is there a line for you? Are there any actions GRALTA (or another org) can >>> take or statements that GRALTA (or another org) can make that would >>> persuade you that it is problematic? >>> ᐧ >>> >>> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 2:34 PM Kathy Madison <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> No Jonathan, I am not suggesting that the murder of ANYONE constitutes a >>>> legitimate criticism of Israel. >>>> >>>> I AM suggesting that the wholesale slaughter of innocent people — whether >>>> Jewish or Palestinian — is wrong. Always. >>>> >>>> My point is that if one criticizes Netanyahu’s brutal, inhumane war >>>> against the Palestinians people, that does not mean that one is >>>> antisemitic. Plenty of Israelis do not support the policies of Netanyahoo. >>>> That does not make them antisemitic. >>>> My point is that the conflation between legitimate criticism and >>>> perception of prejudice. >>>> All based on a logical fallacy, a hasty generalization. >>>> For example: >>>> >>>> Netanyahu is the leader of Israel. Netanyahu is Jewish. >>>> If you oppose Netanyahu’s leadership, then you’re antisemitic. >>>> >>>> Donald Trump is an inveterate liar. Donald Trump is president of the >>>> United States. >>>> If you don’t agree with Trump’s lies, then you are a threat to national >>>> security. >>>> >>>> Kathy Madison >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 23, 2025, at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Kathy, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your email. Are you suggesting that the murder of Jews on >>>>> American soil constitutes legitimate criticism of Israel? >>>>> >>>>> Also, nobody is attacking universities for criticizing Israel. A small >>>>> number of universities are being penalized for failing to self-regulate >>>>> attacks on Jewish students, faculty, and staff. Universities that have >>>>> successfully given their Jewish students equal protection under the law >>>>> have not been penalized. If you'd like to learn more, I encourage you to >>>>> read Harvard's own investigation of antisemitism on campus >>>>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/Cb7GUGu9Paw6iBM31AXpRt3S/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harvard.edu%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2025%2F04%2FFINAL-Harvard-ASAIB-Report-4.29.25.pdf> >>>>> to understand the context for what is happening there. >>>>> >>>>> Re your final comment: Thank you for making my point. Perhaps it would >>>>> have been more accurate for me to say that GRALTA promotes monsterization >>>>> of Jews instead of demonization. >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> ᐧ >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 5:22 PM Kathy Madison via Lincoln >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> The consequence of confusing legitimate criticism of Israel with being >>>>>> antisemitic is doing untold damage. Trump now uses the conflation to >>>>>> attack universities and individuals who dare to criticize Israel. >>>>>> >>>>>> To say that Israel has brutally massacred Palestinians, including >>>>>> children, journalists, aid workers & refused aid to the innocent is not >>>>>> antisemitic. It’s a charge supported by the evidence of tens of >>>>>> thousands of innocent lost lives. >>>>>> >>>>>> How do we raise awareness and seek peace if monsters are allowed to hide >>>>>> behind their religion/ethnicity? >>>>>> >>>>>> Kathy Madison >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> > On May 22, 2025, at 3:26 PM, Seth Rosen <[email protected] >>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Joan, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Jonathan Sheffi has already pointed out, in great detail and rather >>>>>> > articulately, exactly why the propaganda films being screened in >>>>>> > Lincoln by Gralta are anti-Semitic. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > He has also made the point on numerous occasions that perpetuating >>>>>> > these false narratives really does have real world consequences. It >>>>>> > is not innocuous as some have suggested. And two Israeli kids >>>>>> > murdered by a “free Palestine activist” are an unfortunate affirmation >>>>>> > of his point. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > While you and your cohort are free to attend the screenings, he too >>>>>> > should be free to criticize them. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Seth >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On May 22, 2025, at 12:18 PM, Joan Kimball <[email protected] >>>>>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> It is both untrue and offensive to link this effort to antisemitism. >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>> > To post, send mail to [email protected] >>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>> > Browse the archives at >>>>>> > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>> > Change your subscription settings at >>>>>> > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >
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