They still have Start Interpretive Execution? As a former OCO coordinator
for VM development I'm surprised. Alas, it was a thankless job that made no
one happy.

Paul Hanrahan

-----Original Message-----
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan
Jaeger
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Intel gets virtualization clue?


Rick, see this from the positive side, once SIE assist code etc has been
removed, there will no longer be an argument for OCO ;-)

Jan Jaeger.

(How about z/VM V5 all source again?)

>From: Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: OT: Intel gets virtualization clue?
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:58:22 -0400
>
>On Thursday, 10/09/2003 at 12:38 EST, Richard Troth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > Jim ... I don't like where this is going.
> > But then,  I'm a purist:  I see what VM offers and find little value
> > in "VM in the hardware" other than to sell to those customers who
> > either have the rare real problem with VM support
> > or the stereotypical allergy to it.   (Can't make people LIKE
>something.)
>
>Consider what MPG offered: Increased performance.  Moving to a more
>powerful machine plus the ability to RESERVE or LOCK guest pages helps
>make up for the loss of MPG.  Plus, the limit of 6 preferred guests
>makes it less interesting for server consolidation, IMHO.
>
> > I have been bothered by lack of "basic mode" for the past couple
> > years. Maybe this is not a problem,  since I hear few customers
> > complaining. But then perhaps there just are not enough customers
> > who have been "hit" by the issue like Jan has.
>
>Intellectually, from the purist's perspective, I'm sure the loss of MPG
>hurts, but the reality is that of those who run zLinux, the vast
>majority run in LPARs.  So, the z990 changes nothing in this respect.
>
> > 30 LPARs is great,  and probably serves a great number of customers.
> > But 30 LPARs lose a whole shipload of other value that VM offers,
> > that I don't need to enumerate,  preaching to the choir this is.
>
>I don't think 30 LPARs cost VM anything.  I think it makes using LPARs
>less painful for those times when you need one.  Psychologically,
>1/30th of the machine is less impact than 1/15th.  That means getting
>an LPAR when you need one is easier.  With HiperSockets, IEEE VLAN, and
>the z/VM 4.4 virtual switch, the management of the images in those
>LPARs is much easier.  You can still clone and manage content from
>within VM.  Whether you IPL in a virtual machine or in an LPAR is a
>choice based on performance requirements.
>
>Alan Altmark
>Sr. Software Engineer
>IBM z/VM Development

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