Linux-Advocacy Digest #523, Volume #25 Mon, 6 Mar 00 08:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Salary? (Julio C. Gutierrez)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or Linux
(Sal Denaro)
Re: A little advocacy.. (Terry Porter)
Re: A little advocacy.. (Terry Porter)
Re: prepare Income Tax under Linux? (Terry Porter)
Re: Binary compatibility: what kind of crack are they smoking? (Colin Watson)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or Linux
(James E. Quick)
Re: A little advocacy.. (mlw)
Re: A little advocacy.. ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Windows 2000 is pretty reliable (Karri Kalpio)
Re: A little advocacy.. ("Joseph T. Adams")
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From: Julio C. Gutierrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Salary?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:48:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.networking Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a suggestion. Of course find out what you can about the
> market, but then when you go into salary negotiations say "Look, I'd
> like you to help me figure this out. I think I'll really like working
> here and don't want to settle for something too low and then have to
> jump ship just to get what I'm worth."
Good point!! hehe.. :) I'll get this for my own fight if it's not
copyrighted! :-D
> They'll get the point.
Sure, or they'll regret it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sal Denaro)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or
Linux
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:58:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 5 Mar 2000 04:04:09 GMT, John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Where is this "everyone"? In the last few months think I've been fairly
>consistent in making comparisons to Linux without making recommendations.
By _everyone_ I think he means Kevin Ball and Ed McKenna who both wrote
opinion pieces asking for Linux to replace Mach+BSD as the core for OSX
http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/EdMcKenna/EdMcKenna2.html
http://www.macintouch.com/mx_linux.html
While you have not voiced this opinion, it has been flame-fest fodder
on this and other newsgroups.
>My subject today is why I personally find Linux to be
>more interesting.
Yawn.
Linux testimonials are starting to get a little boring. We've all read
them many of us have written them. I'm starting to think there should
be a Linux corollary to Godwin's Law on usenet. Given enough time, every
thread will eventually contain a Linux testimonial or an attack on Windows
and/or Bill Gates.
John, which is better VI or EMACS?
</sarcasm>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 6 Mar 2000 20:07:22 +0800
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:04:10 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You beat me to it but here is some more:
>
>
>On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:57:42 -0500, "Drestin Black"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>> I just setup a Linux box for a friend. A mediaOne user that wants his on
>>> local network.
>>>
>>> Every question he asked was yes with Linux:
>>>
>>> Can all my computers get out to the net? Yes.
>
>Assuming he doesn't have the ever popular Winmodem which seems to be
>included with just about every pre-load on the planet.
How sad for mindless purchasers.
>>> Can I share files, you know, like a file server? Yes.
>After reading Samba How-to's until your eyes are bleary eyed and red.
>If it's so easy why has someone in this group even set up "yet
>another"Samba help page" ?
>
>Buy a Linksys Windows networking kit and you will be doing it in 10
>minutes or less.
Money can buy most things, so what ?
>>> Can my wife's Mac use the files? Yes.
>See above.
>>> Can I put a printer on it, and share that? Yes.
>
>Assuming you paid through the nose for a Postscript printer ala HP.
I paid $70 for my secondhand IBM 600*600dpi laser, works beautifully.
I liked it so much I bought 2 more for $70 each.
>Winprinters which are included yet again in just about every pre-load
>need not apply. Same for many fine non-Winprinters which are reduced
>to featureless junk when using Linux, although they may produce "Some"
>output.
>
>Same goes for non-SCSI scanners, USB devices, Sound Cards, camera's.
>>> Can I get a database for it, you know, like SQL or something? Yes.
>Don't use one so no comment.
We dont need one, thanks.
>>> Can my Windows programs use it? Yes.
>See above.
>>> Can I use the machine to surf the web? Yes.
>Assuming you don't have a Winmodem or use a free internet provider or
>AOL that requires Windows based sign up procedures.
>>> Can I receive E-mail to it? Yes.
>Assuming the above works.
Mine works
>>> Can I use it to send e-mail? Yes.
>Same
Same
>>> Can it be a web server? Yes.
>Every home system should have one:)
They should, and sad if its windows, oh I forgot, you can BUY one for windows,
>>> This sort of when on for a bit, and it was kind of fun. The guy had the
>>> look of kid in a candy factory. All the things he wanted to do that were
>>> once so prohibitively expensive with NT, were now free and more reliable
>>> with Linux.
>Until he tasted the candy and found out is was Brachs instead of
>Godiva and he spit it out due to it's awful taste.
Hahahah, keep dreaming, Linux is the sweetest taste ever.
>BTW Brachs (sp?) is a cheap candy manufacturer in the USA.
>>> The free UNIX camps and OSS generally, really do provide a complete
>>> suite of applications and services. Except for compatibility with
>>> MS-Office, I can see no reason for Windows NT.
>
>Yea but that last one is a biggie :)
Only for large companies who havent woken up yet.
>
>Finally he discovered Freshmeat.net and decided to add some "great"
>software to his system and at that point MLW was flooded with phone
>calls asking about how and where to find all the missing libraries and
>dependencies that were needed to run all of these great new programs
>and MLW fed up said, all right go and run Windows!!!
Hahahahah, wrong.
>
>>Then he started to ask:
>>Can I play my games on it? Well, one or two of them (Q3 and UT) but
Koules, Adom, Freeciv, Empire .... please get a clue Pickle.
>>otherwise, no.
>>Can I do my taxes on it? No
I do using CBB, works great.
>
>Ask Terry Porter about that one. He seems to have the answer.
Please see above.
>
>>Can I run Quicken/Money or their equivilent? No.
Yes you can, CBB is very useful.
>>Will I have drivers for my every hardware purchase included in the box? No
I did.
>Any day now my boy, any day now my child, any day now........
The old Windows chant, we have heard it before.
>
>>Can you guarentee that every piece of hardware I will ever buy will have
>>drivers included and probably updated newer ones on the companies website?
>>No.
I can guarantee you may never have a clue ;-)
>Linux plays the catch up game on a daily basis. Linux is ALWAYs
>behind, always.
yawn...
Multiuser, remote X, stability, freedom, thousands of excellent FREE apps
, a real community.
If Linux is behind, then "behind" doesnt mean what you think it means, Pickle.
>
>>Can I run the single most popular web browser on the planet?
Yep
>>Will software manufacturers offer me techsupport when I mention I'm using
>>Linux? No
Yes
>Mozilla is coming.And coming,and coming and coming and coming
>and.......
Like many other fantastic Linux apps, it will anihilate the competition.
>
>Any day now........................
Please no more Windows chants, I'm feeling nauseous.
>
>>Can I exchanged cute .EXEs with my friends in e-mail? No
>With the assistance of 10 other programs maybe.
??? 100/10 for cluelesness.
>
>>Can I view any of the files my job sends me to work on? No
>Push Linux in your work place and you won't have to worry about a job
>:)
I use it everyday, things have never been better, im WAY more productive.
>Can I write documents to take into work the next day that my boss will be
>>able to read easily? No
Then your bos is blind Pickle, ever hear of a simple ascii text file ?
>See above.
>>And there were some more yes's too:
>>Is it harder to use? Yes
Depends, as an example please log in your Windows box from home, and run a
remote GIU app, NOT installed at home from the server, ON the server at work
please. Describe the steps here. Use only a standard no frills Win95 install.
After all I'm using a stabdard no frills Linux install and I can do this.
>Do I have to relearn everything? yes
What do you already know, not a lot it seems ?
>You run Windows so you MUST be an idiot :)
>>Will I have to seek out and find obscure websites all over the world in
>>multiple languages to try to get tech support while being laughed at for
>>being a newbie and constantly told to RTFM and have to figure out complex
>>command lines? Yes
Get real, I received a email of thanks from Linux newbie, saying he would have
been laffed out of any Win news group for asking such a simple question. He
said Linux was a breath of fresh air.
>Linux websites are everywhere.
Yes Steve they are, popular isnt it ?
> Help for this that and the other thing
>and the funny thing is they all seem to contradict each other.
You would think that.
> I get
>the feeling nobody in the Linux world really knows what's going on
>totally.
See above.
> You have to piece together the good parts and discard the
>fluff yourself.
>Take a look at all the Sound blaster Live help pages. It's a fucking
>joke.
>Under Windows install type setup.exe and it works. Done in 10 minutes.
Complain to Creative, not us.
>
>>Can I use this $40 computer I got in a garage sale? Yes! (<cough> but,
>><ahem> it won't run anything beyond the command line and maybe act as a
>>router, with anything resembling speed)
Wanna bet ?
>
>Lin=boatanchorhardware
>>Are there easy to use, beginners languages to learn programming in? No
Yes, lots.
>>Can I configure it myself or will I have to keep calling mlw everytime it's
>>broken or I can't get it to do what I want...
I doubt you could configure it Steve, that requires an attention span exceeding
15 seconds.
>
>Wait till the poor bastard discovers the root account :)
How absurd is this comment ????
>
>>I like setting up windows machines for friends - they don't keep calling me
>>for months afterwards asking me how to use text editors and find config
>>files
No they keep ringing to ask how to reinstall, or what "safe mode" means.
>> and best of all they stay my friend instead of saying: that shit gave
>>me this crappy OS i've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out, while
>>my son and his friends have been 1000% more productive on the $700 windows
>>system we pickedup from best buy. And they have all the apps right away, 20
>>isles of them at said best buy, while I'm off hunting for code to compile,
>>begging for help in anonymous newsgroups... ...
You forgot how they remain clueless and lost like you, forever willing serfs
to the great MS money machine.
Come on, step up, get yer white goods here, Win3000, now has a timer and juice
extractor, and comes in a lovely tangerine blue. Only $300, be quick while
stocks last..........
>
>Amen!!!
Steve needs to pray, to keep his Windows box up.
>
>>anyone that puts linux in a desktop PC is just being cruel...
I have Linux on my desktop, and life is beautifull.
>
>or a complete asshole.
hahahahahah.
>Speaking of asshole's have you met Terr******....Well you know....
Terry Porter ?
Whats the matter Steve, does this mean we cain't be friends ?
>
>
>Pickle_Pete
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 6 Mar 2000 20:14:41 +0800
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:55:01 -0800, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Has anyone noticed that all "reasons" given about Linux being inferior to
>Windows just don't make sense?
>
>Sure Linux requires more study.
Not if pre installed like most Windows installs
> I don't mind using my brain. If you do,
>then stick to windows.
>
>True, it doesn't support a lot of hardware.
Ho hum, totally untrue
> Keep in mind it's original
>intended purpose.
What was that Mr Anonymous ?
> It supports enough for what it was intended.
Which is ?
> It's
>working it's way into homes because people are tired of problems with
>Windows and are looking for an alternative. Remember when computers were
>only used in companies. They eventually made it to homes.
>
>Not a lot of commercial software availabe? True.
LOTS of NON COMMERCIAL software though, thousands of them, and more every day.
> At least not software
>suitable for home use.
Bull.
> Again, remember it's intended purpose.
I'm trying, but you havent said what that is yet !
> Software
>companies will make software for the popular OS regardless of it's quality.
>Look at Macintosh. If you go to most retail stores that sell software,
>you'll see several hundred titles for the PC and just a little corner for
>the Mac. Why is that?
Who knows ?
>
>Hard to find hardware that works. See above.
Nope, there are thousands of programs for Linux, and 20 to 30 are released
EVERY DAY.
>
>The bottom line is use whatever you like. There is no need to put down
>something you don't like. My Linux system wouldn't run with any version of
>Windows (95, 98, 98SE, NT 4.0) for more than a few minutes without locking
>up. Linux runs for days with no problems on the same hardware. There are
>definitely several advantages using Linux over Windows. People wouldn't
>spend their time learning something more difficult unless there was a valid
>reason.
At last some accuracy, but nothing we dont know already.
This is a trolls post.
>
>
>
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: prepare Income Tax under Linux?
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 6 Mar 2000 20:17:55 +0800
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:39:58 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So why don't you tell him how to do it Terry_the_Porter?
>You seem to have all the answers.
>
>
>pete
>
Sure Steve, my pleasure.
Check out CBB.
..... There Steve happy now ?
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Binary compatibility: what kind of crack are they smoking?
Date: 6 Mar 2000 12:30:31 GMT
Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mario Klebsch) writes:
>> So, things are going to get really worse, if the first binary only
>> programs for kde appear, aren't they?
>
>They cannot. That would violate the GPL, unless I am much mistaken;
>they'd be linking against GPLed libraries, while not themselves being
>GPLed.
>
>Likewise binary-only GNOME programs.
GNOME, absolutely, but I'm not sure about the situation with KDE. Is it
sufficient to link against the Qt libraries, or are there KDE core
libraries to link against too? In the former case, the Qt libraries are
under the QPL (and technically KDE is unredistributable because it's
GPLed and links against them :(, and Debian can't distribute it for this
reason ...).
But, in any case, section 6a of the QPL states that all Qt-linked
applications must be open-source, so Mario's prophecy of doom can never
come to pass.
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RealAudio, and RealAudio leads to suffering." - Peter da Silva, ASR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James E. Quick)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or
Linux
Date: 6 Mar 2000 07:28:51 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:58:58 GMT, Sal Denaro wrote:
>>On 5 Mar 2000 02:22:22 GMT, John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>But I'm not suggesting that Apple go with Linux ... I'm just explaining
>>>why I think Apple's choice is less interesting than Linux ;-)
>>
>>What is it about the Linux kernel that is more interesting than Mach+BSD?
>>Both are open source. Both run on many platforms. Both can be extended
>>and redistributed by 3rd parties.
>>
>>What's the big deal about it being done on _Linux_?
>>
>>The really interesting stuff is _above_ the kernel; things like Apache,
>>egcs, MySQL, Postgres, KDE and/or GNOME. These are not _linux_ projects
>>as much as they are OpenSource projects. And I'm sure they'll all run
>>on OSX just as well as they run on Linux.
>
>With the caveat that IIRC, Mac OS X ( contrary to it's name ) is not
>using X under its GUI. Unless "OS X server" has an "X server" running
>on it, it'll have a hard time with KDE and GNOME apps.
Even now, before OS X has shipped, there are 2 separate efforts to port
X windows to OS X Server and thence to OS X. Full X releases will undoubtedly
be available both from commercial and free sources.
Anyone interested in using X based opensource apps will certainly have the
option to do so. They will simply not find that support on the installation
CD from Apple.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:46:43 -0500
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > I just setup a Linux box for a friend. A mediaOne user that wants his on
> > local network.
> >
> > Every question he asked was yes with Linux:
> >
> > Can all my computers get out to the net? Yes.
> > Can I share files, you know, like a file server? Yes.
> > Can my wife's Mac use the files? Yes.
> > Can I put a printer on it, and share that? Yes.
> > Can I get a database for it, you know, like SQL or something? Yes.
> > Can my Windows programs use it? Yes.
> > Can I use the machine to surf the web? Yes.
> > Can I receive E-mail to it? Yes.
> > Can I use it to send e-mail? Yes.
> > Can it be a web server? Yes.
> >
> > This sort of when on for a bit, and it was kind of fun. The guy had the
> > look of kid in a candy factory. All the things he wanted to do that were
> > once so prohibitively expensive with NT, were now free and more reliable
> > with Linux.
> >
> > The free UNIX camps and OSS generally, really do provide a complete
> > suite of applications and services. Except for compatibility with
> > MS-Office, I can see no reason for Windows NT.
>
> Then he started to ask:
> Can I play my games on it? Well, one or two of them (Q3 and UT) but
> otherwise, no.
Who cares about games?
> Can I do my taxes on it? No
That's what accountants are for. Unless you have no life or money, you
should not do you own taxes.
> Can I run Quicken/Money or their equivilent? No.
I use applix spreadsheet, blows quicken away.
> Will I have drivers for my every hardware purchase included in the box? No
Nor does NT or Win2k.
> Can you guarentee that every piece of hardware I will ever buy will have
> drivers included and probably updated newer ones on the companies website?
> No.
The same can be said about NT and Win2K.
> Can I run the single most popular web browser on the planet?
Netscape, yes.
> Will software manufacturers offer me techsupport when I mention I'm using
> Linux? No
Will they offer you tech support for Windows NT ? NO. Is software tech
support ever really helpful, no.
> Can I exchanged cute .EXEs with my friends in e-mail? No
Actually, I have yet to get one of those stupid little 'exe' e-mail
things that did not run under Wine. I fact, I would never run one of
those on my system unless I had some sort of protection for the machine,
like wine.
Will all the macro viruses work, no.
> Can I view any of the files my job sends me to work on? No
Yes. Star Office does a good enough job on Office docs.
> Can I write documents to take into work the next day that my boss will be
> able to read easily? No
Yes, you can produce just about any format you wish.
>
> And there were some more yes's too:
> Is it harder to use? Yes
It really isn't and you know it.
> Do I have to relearn everything? yes
This is life, get over it. Stop learning, die of altzeimers.
> Will I have to seek out and find obscure websites all over the world in
> multiple languages to try to get tech support while being laughed at for
> being a newbie and constantly told to RTFM and have to figure out complex
> command lines? Yes
Pure FUD.
> Can I use this $40 computer I got in a garage sale? Yes! (<cough> but,
> <ahem> it won't run anything beyond the command line and maybe act as a
> router, with anything resembling speed)
Again, FUD no basis in fact.
> Are there easy to use, beginners languages to learn programming in? No
What?? There are more programming languages for Linux than Windows and
many of them are very easy.
> Can I configure it myself or will I have to keep calling mlw everytime it's
> broken or I can't get it to do what I want...
The average user can't configure Windows, especially NT, so this is a
non point. I have to field tech calls from friends and family all the
time, Linux is easier to deal with, hands down. With the Windows, boxes
it is a long phone call, trying to navigate through their machine
telling them to click this or select that, etc. With Linux it is a
simple, "are you on line?" And I can see for myself, and either fix it
or tell them how for future reference.
>
> I like setting up windows machines for friends - they don't keep calling me
> for months afterwards asking me how to use text editors and find config
> files and best of all they stay my friend instead of saying: that shit gave
> me this crappy OS i've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out, while
> my son and his friends have been 1000% more productive on the $700 windows
> system we pickedup from best buy. And they have all the apps right away, 20
> isles of them at said best buy, while I'm off hunting for code to compile,
> begging for help in anonymous newsgroups... ...
People I setup Linux boxes only call me when they want to know how to do
something new or they did something stupid as root. Windows friends call
me when it hangs, "Why does Excel stop, and I have to press restart,
after I try to print, sometimes?" Every person I know who has Windows
has had to install it more than one because it stopped working. This is
the truth, sometimes more than twice. Windows is just not robust enough
to be called easy to use. For something to be easy to use, there must be
some expectation that it will work.
>
> anyone that puts linux in a desktop PC is just being cruel...
I get a kick out of your "reasoning." Many of your points are true for
Windows 9x, not NT or Win2K. So, they have little point in being in a
response about Linux. "Will I have drivers for my every hardware
purchase included in the box? No" This is impossible to know, as well as
it is also false for NT or Win2k, so it does not matter.
The biggest kick I get, is that the winvocates will make bullet points
based on Windows 9x and/or NT/2K, even when the points are mutually
exclusive.
Windows 9x does not run a SQL database except for little crappy ones.
Linux can run Oracle. So we must be talking about NT, so almost none of
your, so called, reasons even apply.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Date: 6 Mar 2000 12:54:43 GMT
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The free UNIX camps and OSS generally, really do provide a complete
: suite of applications and services. Except for compatibility with
: MS-Office, I can see no reason for Windows NT.
I've been using Linux on the desktop for a couple years, but there are
still a few things I miss and can't find good open-source replacements
for. One of those things is a database-oriented GUI report generator
similar to Crystal Reports, Active Reports, or the MS Access reporting
module. I am *seriously* considering writing one if no one else has
already done so. (Probably under the user's choice of LGPL or
X11-like license.) The other, which has been beat to death already, in
other threads, is an integrated font subsystem capable of antialiased
rendering. I don't fully understand the problem, as Mr. Rebecchi has
patiently and repeatedly pointed out, but I do understand (I think)
that it is a problem inherent in the X protocol and thus neither
specific to Linux, nor amenable to any simple or quick solutions.
Joe
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From: Karri Kalpio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 is pretty reliable
Date: 06 Mar 2000 14:56:05 +0200
David Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Donn Miller wrote:
> >
> > Bad news for us unix types -- I've been asking around in various NG's,
> > and people have been telling me that Windowss 2000 is extremely
> > reliable. From what I've heard so far, W2K has been up on people's
> > servers, and running for 1-3 months now without a crash. Sounds
> > pretty stable to me.
>
> I am quite sure that there is already a service pack in the works.
> This will, of course, require a reboot and that will be the end of their
> uptime.
YMS
"I am quite sure that there is already a service pack in the works
that will fix that."
HTH!
--karri
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Date: 6 Mar 2000 13:01:35 GMT
Marada C. Shradrakaii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>Are there easy to use, beginners languages to learn programming in? No
: TCL?
Python and Java also are pretty good languages for beginners (although
they are not *only* for beginners).
Joe
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