Linux-Advocacy Digest #810, Volume #25           Sat, 25 Mar 00 21:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (George Marengo)
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (George Marengo)
  Re: NT vs Linux vs Whatever.... (Robert Heininger)
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (When in LA)
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (When in LA)
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser. (Robert Heininger)
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (George Marengo)
  Re: From the Horse's Mouth (Bob Lyday)
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (George Marengo)
  Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (Marty)

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From: George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:23:07 GMT

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:44:52 GMT, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On 3-25-00, 5:26:14 PM, George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
>regarding Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet 
>again):

>> Thanks for the feedback. No, I'm not a die-hard supporter of any OS.
>> The OS is simply a means to an end for me -- using software that I
>> want or need to use.
>
>Why suggest that IBM should have totally boycott windows to show 
>consumers that IBM is behind OS/2?  

We've already been through that, and we disagree about what IBM 
should have done.

>You can describe yourself as reasonable but your opinion is 
>unreasonable.

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion. Again, we disagree.


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From: George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:25:48 GMT

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:51:44 GMT, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>The ideal man: 

That's your characterization, not mine.

>He has strong IBM-OS/2 opinions and when shown facts 
>contradicting his understanding of the past, the information 
>is called "uninteresting."  

Should I lie and call it something that, in my opinion, it isn't?

>Those who read the Finding of Fact more are MS haters. 

I think that some of them are. As an OS/2 supporter, you 
probably don't.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heininger)
Subject: Re: NT vs Linux vs Whatever....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:39:26 GMT


On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:07:58 GMT,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' wrote:


>: I've been reading this newsgroup for a while, and watching the "NT vs
>: Linux" threads for some time.

I too, lurk in this news group and this is the first time I've posted here :
just couldn't hold my load any longer. {8^O~


>: It seems lik a bit of a waste of time.

D'OH!  Then why do you bother doing it? Is someone (ie. Bill Gates) holding
a weapon to your head or something? ;-)


>: Linux has some challenges it has to overcome, as do NT and other MS
>: products.

I feel that Linux is all about freedom of choice because I can do with it
*anything* that my limited unix skills to date are capable of doing, which is
impossible to do with the proprietary, dictatorship driven OS's that I've been
using for years. 

* Hello New Millennium ::: Sayonara Microsoft! *  :-)


>: If you like MS Win9x or 2000, seems like your time would be more
>: productively spent using it than talking about it.

I have to use Microsoft products because the applications I use are not
available **YET** for Linux. This is changing very rapidly because many people
are speaking up and demanding that these applications be ported to Linux, and
some of the major players in the particular industry I work in have already
done it, or are working on it.


>: If Linux is a threat to MS Os's, debating it in newsgroups like this isn't
>: going to help your case.

Me thinks that you are missing the point of it all. I for one, happen to read
this news group because it's:

#1) Very entertaining.
#2) Very resourceful.
#3) There are a whole bunch of people here that are a lot *smarter* than I am
about computers, who I have learned allot from. :: Thank you.


>: If it's as antiquated and outdated as you claim, then you have
>: nothing to worry about and can laugh off the Linux community as a bunch
>: of oddballs.

All I can say here is that I've never been accused of being "normal". To put
it another way:

You can Lead :: You can follow :: or You can get the `F' out of my way!

Does that make me an odd-ball? I hope so. I prefer to be unique and not follow
in anyones footsteps / have them do my thinking for me.


>: At least Linux gives users a choice, rather than being forced into doing
>: things however MS decided to do them.

See above. IMHO: "Freedom" is what Linux and the OSS movement is all about.



Well, I finally posted here. I better go hose down the fire suite to get it
ready for the aftermath from the _Win_Trolls_. ;-)

Regards,
-- 
Robert Heininger          __
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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:55:16 GMT

George Marengo writes:

>>> No, I'm not a die-hard supporter of any OS. The OS is simply a means
>>> to an end for me -- using software that I want or need to use.

>> Then what is your participation in this newsgroup for you?

> I didn't say I don't advocate particular OS's from time to time. 

You did say that you gave up on OS/2.

> I said I'm not a die-hard supporter; i.e., I will switch an OS when 
> my needs dictate that I should do so.

What a novel concept.  I've been telling people to use the right tool
for the job for years.

> My posting to os2.advocacy was because I didn't notice that 
> someone had cross-posted to nt.advocacy.

Correction:  postings.  Multiple instances of "didn't notice"?


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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:58:30 GMT

George Marengo writes:

>>> Bob Germer wrote:

>>>> It is quite obvious that you are totally unable to comprehend the Findings
>>>> of Fact. They clearly, absolutely, unequivocally, without question, beyond
>>>> a shadow of a doubt contradict what you state above. That makes what you
>>>> said a lie. That makes you a liar.

>>> You were right the first time. I was unable to comprehend the 
>>> Findings of Fact because I found them to uninteresting.

>> Just as I said:  you're not interested in the facts but rather in what
>> someone thinks.

> The facts referred to are the legal opinion of a Judge.

On the contrary, there is a difference between facts and opinions.

> They happen to carry the weight of law, but it is essentially another
> persons opinion. 

Are you saying that no facts were revealed during the course of the
investigation and subsequent trial?

>> Tell me, when you want to know whether it's going to rain tomorrow,
>> do you ask some random person what they think, or do you consult a
>> meteorologist for some facts?

> Actually, I generally just go outside and check for myself,

How can you determine by going outside right now whether it's going to
rain tomorrow?

> because it's about as accurate as the weather report.

On the contrary, the weather report has access to information about
the movement of weather systems, whereas going outside right now
isn't going to provide you much information about tomorrow.

> How about you, do you find the weather report from a meteorologist
> to be highly accurate?

I find it better than asking someone what they think.


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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:02:39 GMT

Jason Bowen writes:

>>>>> O.K., lets change the subject then.  What do you think these numbers mean
>>>>> for OS/2?

>>>> Which numbers, Jason?  You didn't retain any numbers in your follow-up.

>>> I'm sorry that you can't remember them

>> I can remember lots of numbers, Jason.  Why do you think I asked about
>> which ones?

> The ones that followed from our thread.

There were none in your follow-up, Jason.

> Do you have trouble following that?

Do you have trouble comprehending that there were no numbers in your
follow-up, Jason?

>>> since you provided a source.

>> You didn't specify any source when you asked your question, Jason.

> You can't follow a thread?

I followed exactly what you posted, Jason, which happened to not include
any previous text.

>>> According to the source that YOU provided OS/2 brought in $92 million
>>> towards IBM's bottom line.

>> Which directly answered George's question about where the numbers came
>> from.  If only you could be as direct.

> If only you could follow a thread.

How do you think I managed to answer George's question directly, Jason?

>>> This is OS/2 advocacy isn't it.

>> Incorrect; it's answering a question directly.

Note:  no response.

>>> Wouldn't you like to talk about that?

>> I already accomplished what I set out to do, Jason, which was to
>> answer George's question.  Was there something inadequate about
>> my answer that needs further discussion?

> So you don't want to talk about OS/2 in the OS/2 newsgroup?

Illogical, given that my response to George was about OS/2, Jason.


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From: When in LA
Reply-To: When in LA
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:02:55 GMT

On Sun, 25 Mar 3900 06:43:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Glatt) 
said:

|
|>> It is a fact that it has also been mentioned several times in this
|>> newsgroup that you abused your employer's computer facilities and were
|>> reprimanded for doing so.
| 
|>I just finished telling you that there is a difference between a fact
|>and a claim of fact, Glatt.
| 
|I just finished telling you that it is a fact that it has also been
|mentioned several times in this newsgroup that you abused your
|employer's computer facilities and were reprimanded for doing so.
| 
|>Your "mention" of some alleged abuse and
|>some alleged reprimand constitutes the latter, Glatt.
| 
|Prove it, if you think you can, loser.

It is incumbent on the person leveling the charges to produce evidence
and prove the claim Fatglatt.  The defense's job is to respond to 
evidence presented, and is not burdened with the proof that there is 
no evidence.

Of course there are exceptions to that rule. . . .like in Lewis 
Carrol's "Wonderland."

And "loser"?  Losers don't have jobs as a professor at a major 
university.   Losers are unemployed bums or guys that can't hold a 
steady job.  When is the last steady job you had Fatglatt?

BobO
 
Marty Amodeo says:  "If Glatt, Sutherland, yourself, or myself tried 
to get someone fired for using a particular word it is a despicable 
act."
 
David Sutherland made the following quotes in posts residing on 
Dejanews:  
 
If I posted anything remotely like Tholen's "queer" [Editor:  Note 
particular word in quotes] comments with my employers name
anywhere within that message, I would be escorted to the door, 
and rightly so.[Editor: Note euphemism for firing] 
 
If Tholen doesn't apologise in full, publicly and at great length, I 
*will* advise his university, as this kind of bullshit *should* and 
*will* be challenged.[Editor: Note threat]
 
I've asked Kenneth P. Mortimer, President, University of
Hawaii ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for his opinion on how
certain members of the faculty are spending their time.[Editor:  Note 
admission to personal notification of employer]
 
Tholen used "queer" [Editor:  Note particular word in quotes] as an
insult and a means to attack someone. This is discriminatory.  He did 
so from  his employers account.  His employer has a policy against 
discrimination.  Tholen acted against the policies of his employer. 
Tholens employer is  now aware of this.  [Editor:  Note reason for 
contacting employer]
 
Pretty despicable, I have to agree Marty.


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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:04:01 GMT

Dave writes:

>>> Any thoughts/ideas/opinions are "irrelevant" to the the tholenbot if
>>> you disagree with it.

>> What alleged "tholenbot"?

>>> Watch it chime in here babbling about "typical invective" or "what
>>> alleged tholenbot" or something equally useless and obtuse.

> Right on cue!  

Somebody cued you to respond with illogic?


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From: When in LA
Reply-To: When in LA
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:14:39 GMT

On Sun, 25 Mar 3900 21:16:03, George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

|On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:24:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
|>Tell me, when you want to know whether it's going to rain tomorrow,
|>do you ask some random person what they think, or do you consult a
|>meteorologist for some facts?
|
|Actually, I generally just go outside and check for myself, because
|it's about as accurate as the weather report. How about you, do you
|find the weather report from a meteorologist to be highly accurate?
|
Thats pretty good George.  You go outside and you see tomorrow's 
weather?  I agree that there is some correlation between current 
observations and forecasts, but generally you will have a higher level
of success if you combine the meteorological data on whats happening a
few hundred miles away with your current observations.  

BobO
 
Marty Amodeo says:  "If Glatt, Sutherland, yourself, or myself tried 
to get someone fired for using a particular word it is a despicable 
act."
 
David Sutherland made the following quotes in posts residing on 
Dejanews:  
 
If I posted anything remotely like Tholen's "queer" [Editor:  Note 
particular word in quotes] comments with my employers name
anywhere within that message, I would be escorted to the door, 
and rightly so.[Editor: Note euphemism for firing] 
 
If Tholen doesn't apologise in full, publicly and at great length, I 
*will* advise his university, as this kind of bullshit *should* and 
*will* be challenged.[Editor: Note threat]
 
I've asked Kenneth P. Mortimer, President, University of
Hawaii ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for his opinion on how
certain members of the faculty are spending their time.[Editor:  Note 
admission to personal notification of employer]
 
Tholen used "queer" [Editor:  Note particular word in quotes] as an
insult and a means to attack someone. This is discriminatory.  He did 
so from  his employers account.  His employer has a policy against 
discrimination.  Tholen acted against the policies of his employer. 
Tholens employer is  now aware of this.  [Editor:  Note reason for 
contacting employer]
 
Pretty despicable, I have to agree Marty.


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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:15:27 GMT

Jeff Glatt writes:

> Ian "The Moron" Tholen

Typical invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical
argument.

>> I just finished telling you that there is a difference between a fact
>> and a claim of fact, Glatt.  Your "mention" of some alleged abuse and
>> some alleged reprimand constitutes the latter, Glatt.

> I just finished telling you that it is a fact that it has also been
> mentioned several times in this newsgroup that you abused your
> employer's computer facilities and were reprimanded for doing so.

It's also a fact that it has been mentioned in this newsgroup that you
are a liar, Glatt.  The difference is that it's also been demonstrated
in this newsgroup that you are a liar.  Meanwhile, you simply continue
to pontificate.

>>>> Your "mention" of some alleged abuse and
>>>> some alleged reprimand constitutes the latter, Glatt.

>>> Prove it, if you think you can,

>> Simple:  you never produced a shred of evidence

> Why should I produce evidence to support your erroneous claim that you
> did not abuse your employer's computer facilities and were reprimanded
> for doing so.

On what basis do you call it an erroneous claim, Glatt?  You made the
accusation of abuse, therefore the burden of proof falls on your
shoulders.

> That's why you're posting from rr.com now instead of the
> University of Hawaii's system.

Incorrect, given that I post from both, Glatt, and as I told Sutherland,
I had requested cable modem service long before he registered any
complaint with the University.  Furthermore, the University's
recommendation was that Sutherland be ignored.

>> to support your claims,

> Nonsense. If you knew how to use dejanews, then you'd realize that it
> is a fact that it has also been mentioned several times in this
> newsgroup that you abused your employer's computer facilities and were
> reprimanded for doing so.

I don't need to use DejaNews to realize that you've made unsubstantiated
claims, Glatt.

>> thus both are mere allegations.

> Nonsense. If you knew how to use dejanews, then you'd realize that it
> is a fact that it has also been mentioned several times in this
> newsgroup that you abused your employer's computer facilities and were
> reprimanded for doing so.

I don't need to use DejaNews to realize that you've made unsubstantiated
claims, Glatt.

>>> loser.

>> How ironic, coming from the person who hasn't presented any evidence.

> Why should I produce evidence to support your erroneous claim that you
> did not abuse your employer's computer facilities and were reprimanded
> for doing so.

On what basis do you call it an erroneous claim, Glatt?  You made the
accusation of abuse, therefore the burden of proof falls on your
shoulders.

> That's why you're posting from rr.com now instead of the
> University of Hawaii's system.

Incorrect, given that I post from both, Glatt, and as I told Sutherland,
I had requested cable modem service long before he registered any
complaint with the University.  Furthermore, the University's
recommendation was that Sutherland be ignored.

>>>>> I suggest that you learn how to use dejanews

>>>> How ironic

>>> Yes, it is ironic that you suggested someone else use dejanews to
>>> verify that something had been mentioned in this newsgroup,

>> Illogical, given that there is a difference between someone who allows
>> their postings to be archived at DejaNews and someone who does not,
>> such as you.

> Irrelevant. If you knew how to use dejanews, then you'd realize that
> it is a fact that it has also been mentioned several times in this
> newsgroup that you abused your employer's computer facilities and were
> reprimanded for doing so.

I don't need to use DejaNews to realize that you've made unsubstantiated
claims, Glatt.

>>> when you are clearly unable to use dejanews to verify that it is a
>>> fact that it has also been mentioned several times in this newsgroup
>>> that you abused your employer's computer facilities and were
>>> reprimanded for doing so.

>> I just finished telling you that there is a difference between a fact
>> and a claim of fact, Glatt.

> I just finished telling you that it is a fact that it has also been
> mentioned several times in this newsgroup that you abused your
> employer's computer facilities and were reprimanded for doing so.

It's also a fact that it has been mentioned in this newsgroup that you
are a liar, Glatt.  The difference is that it's also been demonstrated
in this newsgroup that you are a liar.  Meanwhile, you simply continue
to pontificate.

>> Your "mention" of some alleged abuse and
>> some alleged reprimand constitutes the latter, Glatt.

> It is more than a claim. Dejanews clearly shows that it is a fact that
> it has also been mentioned several times in this newsgroup that you
> abused your employer's computer facilities and were reprimanded for
> doing so. Do you not know how to use Dejanews, loser?

It's also a fact that it has been mentioned in this newsgroup that you
are a liar, Glatt.  The difference is that it's also been demonstrated
in this newsgroup that you are a liar.  Meanwhile, you simply continue
to pontificate.

>>>> , coming from someone who sets the archive flag to "no" to
>>>> prevent DejaNews from archiving his own unsubstantiated and libelous
>>>> claims.

>>> What alleged "unsubstantiated and libelous claims", loser?

>> Having more reading comprehension problems, Glatt? Consult borg.com
>> for a copy of the formal complaint.

> Having more reading comprehension problems,

Obviously not, GLatt.

> loser?

Typical invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical
argument.

> What didn't you understand about borg's rejection of your "formal
> complaint" as lies and nonsense coming from a usenet kook

What alleged rejection, Glatt?  There has been no rejection of my
formal complaint by borg.com.

> (versus the University of Hawaii's action to stop you from abusing
> their facilities with your posting of nonsense to this newsgroup)?

What allleged action, Glatt?  What alleged abuse, Glatt?

Even more of your pontification.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heininger)
Crossposted-To: 
rec.video.satellite.dbs,alt.satellite.tv,rec.video.satellite.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x,comp.infosystems.www.browsers,comp.infosystems.www.browswers.misc
Subject: Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:16:28 GMT


On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:18:38 GMT,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `G Sanders' wrote:


>: Randy Crawford wrote:
>: > 
>: > Simply amazing.


>: Dish's attitude is incredible on this. With literally MILLIONS 
>: of web pages out there, they are one of the few sites that 
>: haven't figured out how to work around Netscape's well known and 
>: well documented bugs.
 

Dish Network and all other aspiring web site developers need to get a clue :
and they can find it here:


http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign


If I can't view a site with Lynx : they don't get my business. It's that
simple.

-- 
Robert Heininger          __
                   #     / /    __  _  _  _  _ __  __   #
                   #    / /__  / / / \// //_// \ \/ /   #
                   #   /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/  /_/\_\   #
                   #  The Choice of the GNU Generation  #

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From: George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:22:30 GMT

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:55:16 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>George Marengo writes:
>
>>>> No, I'm not a die-hard supporter of any OS. The OS is simply a means
>>>> to an end for me -- using software that I want or need to use.
>
>>> Then what is your participation in this newsgroup for you?
>
>> I didn't say I don't advocate particular OS's from time to time. 
>
>You did say that you gave up on OS/2.

Correct.

>> I said I'm not a die-hard supporter; i.e., I will switch an OS when 
>> my needs dictate that I should do so.
>
>What a novel concept.  I've been telling people to use the right tool
>for the job for years.

Great, then we at least agree on that.

>> My posting to os2.advocacy was because I didn't notice that 
>> someone had cross-posted to nt.advocacy.
>
>Correction:  postings.  Multiple instances of "didn't notice"?

Of course I noticed in subsequent messages, but by then I 
was caught up in the dialog. Do you make it a habit to post to
*.nt.avocacy?


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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:20:51 -0800
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: From the Horse's Mouth

Damien wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:39:52 -0500, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> doc rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Norman D. Megill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> | news:8bii1o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 
> | >   "There are no significant bugs in our released software that any
> | >   significant number of users want fixed."  -- Bill Gates, in an
> | >   interview with Focus magazine, Oct 23, 1995.
> | >   http://www.cantrip.org/nobugs.html
> |
> | That makes sense to me, too.  And it obviously works for them.  If I was
> | selling code of that bulk and complexity, that would be my basic strategy,
> | too.
> 
> Of course if you were writing it because you enjoy coding, and you
> want to show off your coding skills to you colleagues, and you want to
> create the best operating system that can be created, then you might
> spend the extra time it takes to solve a few more problems, eliminate
> a few more bugs and limitations.  And you might end up with Linux.

If you had a monopoly, of course it would make sense!  If I had
a monopoly, I would fire anyone who tried to fix or even improve
the product!  but if you didn't have a monopoly and had to
compete like everybody else, that would be a stupid
philosophy...
-- 
Bob

"We believe that OS/2 is the platform of the 90's." Bill Gates,
1989 (on videotape).

Remove ".diespammersdie" to reply.

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From: George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:28:14 GMT

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:58:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>George Marengo writes:
>
>>>> Bob Germer wrote:
>
>>>>> It is quite obvious that you are totally unable to comprehend the Findings
>>>>> of Fact. They clearly, absolutely, unequivocally, without question, beyond
>>>>> a shadow of a doubt contradict what you state above. That makes what you
>>>>> said a lie. That makes you a liar.
>
>>>> You were right the first time. I was unable to comprehend the 
>>>> Findings of Fact because I found them to uninteresting.
>
>>> Just as I said:  you're not interested in the facts but rather in what
>>> someone thinks.
>
>> The facts referred to are the legal opinion of a Judge.
>
>On the contrary, there is a difference between facts and opinions.

Of course.

>> They happen to carry the weight of law, but it is essentially another
>> persons opinion. 
>
>Are you saying that no facts were revealed during the course of the
>investigation and subsequent trial?

No, that's not what I'm saying. The fact is that MS broke the law. 
That OS/2 is now largely relegated to the also rans being due to 
MS's actions isn't. In the Judges findings, that's what he opined.

>>> Tell me, when you want to know whether it's going to rain tomorrow,
>>> do you ask some random person what they think, or do you consult a
>>> meteorologist for some facts?
>
>> Actually, I generally just go outside and check for myself,
>
>How can you determine by going outside right now whether it's going to
>rain tomorrow?

Very easily. The weather pattern for Southern California generally
brings comes from the north west -- what's out there today will
shortly get to my house tomorrow.

>> because it's about as accurate as the weather report.
>
>On the contrary, the weather report has access to information about
>the movement of weather systems, whereas going outside right now
>isn't going to provide you much information about tomorrow.

If you find your local weather reports to be more accurate than the
ones where I live, more power to you. I have, however, found that 
my local reports to be very inaccurate.


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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:25:15 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Do you have trouble comprehending that there were no numbers in your
> follow-up, Jason?

Liar.  I see you failed to read his follow-up, containing the following
numbers (in order of occurrence):

24, 2000, 22, 13, 55, 4, 8, 3, 1, 1, 775, 8, 5, 48, 9, 9, 5, 9, 7,
4, 4, 13242, 85.126640, 1, 8, 68, 4l, 1, 4.13244, 85.126724, 1, 
953936035, 1881, 128, 138, 129, 243, 24, 2000, 22, 13, 55, 24, 2000,
22, 13, 55, 1147471, 1394183, 1590122, 1330787, 2

Why would you expect him to comprehend something which is a lie?

--
The wit of Bob Osborn in action:

"Perhaps it something you should try to your kids don't end up as stupid as
you."
"There is an old saying fartface."
"Not only are you a filthy low-life lying bastard pig, you are too stupid to
know it."

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