Linux-Advocacy Digest #940, Volume #25 Tue, 4 Apr 00 16:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: So where are the MS supporters. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OT:RANT:Long: If anyone develops an IDE for Linux PLEASE NO PROJECT FILES (or
MDI for that matter) (Richard Corfield)
Re: Cd-burning ulility... (Mike Marion)
Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Ding Dong! (Mike Marion)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? ("John W. Stevens")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:51:39 GMT
In article <zfkG4.112$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8cc3hn$23k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > The verdict isn't really the final factor. Microsoft will most
likely
> > be
> > > appealing, and whatever the results of that appeal will be the
real
> > > judgement. Jackson has been overruled repeatedly in the past in
> > regards to
> > > Microsoft, and it would appear to me that they have a good case
for
> > appeal
> > > considering the one sided nature that Jackson took in his findings
of
> > fact
> > > (it's nearly word for word from the governments documents).
> >
> > Hmmm. Maybe the government just were well-prepared, and 'had a
case'?!?
>
> There are things in the Findings of Fact and the Findings of Law that
are
> proveably wrong.
>
> As an example, the Findings of Law state "Neither Microsoft nor its
OEM
> customers believe that the latter have - or will have anytime soon -
even a
> single, commercially viable alternative to licensing Windows for
> pre-installation on their PCs". Yet many big name OEM's are selling
Linux
> systems in both server and desktop configurations, and have been doing
so
> for over a year in some instances. Clearly this "Finding" is wrong and
> proveably so.
>
> I think Microsoft will have a damn good case on their hands for appeal
with
> all the errors in both documents that are easily proven.
.
BUZZ, Franky is Wrong again. 1 the trial deals with a set time period.
What happens now is irrelevant. thief can not say he is innocent because
he is not stealing now. As with the thief, the damage has already been
done! 2. During the period covered by the trial, MS did not believe
Linux was a threat. 3. The word "believe" means that even if Linux were
a viable alternative MS did not "believe" Linux was a threat, thus you
claim here is false. The only time MS and people like you act as if
Linux is a threat is in the context of the trial. Also, if you read the
document you will find that you need to take MS behavior as a WHOLE and
not look at each individual issue independently of the rest, as you have
done here.
.
I love it, and anti Linux troll like Franky admitting that Linux is a
treat to save his Religious Icon! MS must truly be in deep S*ht!
>
>
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From: Richard Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: OT:RANT:Long: If anyone develops an IDE for Linux PLEASE NO PROJECT FILES
(or MDI for that matter)
Date: 03 Apr 2000 21:52:38 +0100
"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And, yes, I know these must sound like God-awful kludges to anyone
> with experience in more robust environments, but it is trivial
> compared to some of the crap that any VB programmer has to live with
> on a daily basis.
Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try when next in Windows.
Fortunately this one's an Access only project. If it were to go web
based I think I'd be tempted to use mod_perl or php.
At work we're doing something bigger but have completely abstracted
the data access behind domain objects (much like Entity Enterprise
Java Beans) so the vast majority of our code is completely independant
of data technology. Data transactions are performed through use case
command objects (somewhat like Session Enterprise Java Beans) - each
use case is a transaction. We don't let the application access the
entities directly.
We've got an infrastructure written in VB that manages this. Its
actually quite simple. It seems odd in some ways as VB seems designed
to pass record sets around though apparently this has caused problems
in the past on large projects. If we port to Java it will help though.
People I'm working with have been telling me how good VB is, but
they've been using it for some time so are used to working around
it. Now I've come in and am experiencing the problems I'm starting to
get "Oh it isn't so consistant after all". I suppose if I was new to
programming and didn't know anything else it would all look fine.
One good thing I've found though - VB mode for NT Emacs so I can get
pretty printed output of my VB code. :)
- Richard
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cd-burning ulility...
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:08:42 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> (Disclaimer: I've used mkisofs in the past, but all it does is
> create the image; it won't burn it. I use a 4020i and haven't
> tried to get xcdroast to work, but the DOS burning software that I
> have worked with the image, the one time I tried it. :-) )
Keep in mind that xcdroast is actually just a GUI (a well done GUI at that)
front-end to mkisofs and cdrecord. You can do everything xcdroast does from the
command line if you want. Although I use and love xcdroast myself.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
I have a problem with my 95 machine.
It says "Insert disk 3" but only two will fit. What do I do now?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:02:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why am I not surprised?
>
> http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000331S0002
>
> --
> Tim Kelley
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Don't you just love the "it's not a bug its a feature" attitude of the
MS Ditto heads???
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ding Dong!
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:10:07 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So they split MSFT up, and some rogue MSFT application sh*ts all over my
> system. Jolly good. I can hardly wait for this one....
They already do that on my system. Won't be much different if they're split,
though they might actually have to compete for a change.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
I have a problem with my 95 machine.
It says "Insert disk 3" but only two will fit. What do I do now?
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:09:39 -0600
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> "John W. Stevens" wrote:
> > [Mathias Warkus wrote:]
>
> > > Writing HTML is not programming.
> >
> > Yes it is.
>
> I agree. I would consider HTML and {TeX,LaTeX} programming
> languages. In html, you are programming a web browser to display
> something. The browser acts as an interpreter for HTML. And, of
> course, HTML is "Hyper Text Markup Language". Writing a TeX app is
> also programming, in my view. You are basically programming a
> typesetter when writing a [La]TeX document.
>
> > > Painting a TIFF image is not programming.
> >
> > Wrong again. . .
>
> Well, I wouldn't call creating an image programming. That's more or
> less creating data.
So, if you write and run a program to create data, you didn't actually
do any programming?
Interesting . . .
The commands given to the paint program constitute a programg by the
definition given my Mathias, so I'd have to disagree with you here.
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
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