Linux-Advocacy Digest #940, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 16:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/ (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/ (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (pip)
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The Linux editor test (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Anyone know the SoftImage story? (.)
Re: I edited my inetd.conf with Word. (.)
Re: The 130MByte text file (.)
Re: Linux headache ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is a fad? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is a fad? ("Gary Hallock")
Re: My open-source quote (Dan Hinojosa)
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:20:35 GMT
In article <3a7c4803$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"James Bond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:34:55 +0200, "James Bond"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I am now running my second box with LM7.2
> >> remotely from my Win2k box.
> >> Using X-WinPro (now WinaXe) I get a much improved desktop - fonts
> >> overall just look better. And no more time wasted
> >> forever tweaking fonts.
> >>
> >>James :-)
Xfree has been legitimately criticized for their ugly 75 dpi fonts. Keep in
mind that these fonts were designed for low resultution 14 inch displays
which had VGA (640x480 or 800x600) display. Back in those days the only
"pretty" displays were on Sun and SGI. Windows displys at 640x480 were
actually displayed at 60 dpi.
With 1280x1024 on a 17 inch display, there was plenty of display
density, and most users, accustomed to full-screen displays on
Windows were struck by the ugliness of the courser fonts that were
enlarged to several times their original intended sizes.
There is a how-to on "deuglification" that describes how to improve
the fonts. The most important is to delete the 75dpi fonts from the
font-path. The speedo and true-type fonts are then substituted
which results in smoother high resolution rendering.
> > This is interesting. How does it work and
> > what does it do? Easy to set up?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Go to Tucows and download the trial version of winaXe.
> It installs an X-server on Win2k. Run winaXe setup,
> then configuration, and connect to
> your Linux box using query mode of XDMCP.
The practice of using X11 Servers on Windows to access
Linux consoles is actually quite old. It doesn't give
you all the features of the Linux console (KDE desktop
manager, Window managers, etc). On the other hand,
neither does Web Browser access.
It's ironica that nearly everything outside of "Office Documents" is provided
by Linux and UNIX systems accessed through Web browsers, Java Applets,
Outlook, and/or Messenger provide the most significant capabilities of IT
systems. Microsoft gets the credit because they still put their tradmarked
software on the OEMs PC and forbid integration of Linux via VMWare, Win4Lin,
or boot managers.
Keep in mind that during X11R4, the typical X11 machine was
800x600 with 256 colors (Sun's IPC) or 16 shades of grey (Sun's SLC),
with 8 meg of RAM, 500 meg hard drives (shared by 4-10 users), and
10 MIPs processors (equivalent of a 386-33).
Modern Windows 2000 systems typically sport 128 meg of RAM, 1 gigaflops
processors, with 2 gigaflop 128 bit display subsystems, 20 gigabyte hard
drives, and 100 megahertz ethernet access.
Put another way, the average Windows 2000 desktop system of today is more
powerful than the most powerful mainframes of only 4 years ago and more
powerful than the most powerful supercomputers of only 5 years ago. In 1991,
a large insurance company would use 5 3090 600J systems (600 Mips each) with
40 gigabytes of storage which was sufficient to cover a fair amount of detail
on over 1 million beneficiaries.
Keep in mind that Microsoft has, since the earliest conception
of Windows NT, assumed that "Bits, MIPs, and gigabytes are cheap"
and had no problem with wasting massive resources. Windows 2000
was Microsoft's first cut at attempting to eliminate some of the
wasteful swapping and paging of unused methods, procedures, and
initialization data.
Linux is simply more effecient. Linux can run on very small systems, even as
little as an 80386-16 with 16 meg of RAM and a 100 meg drive on up to Z-900
supermainframes capable of extremely high transaction rates. Talking with an
IBM rep on the floor of the Linux Expo, he indicated that they had
successfully implemented over 90,000 Linux virtual machines on a single Z-900
(though not doing anything terribly useful). Realisticly, it's not
inrealistic to have 2,000 Linux instances. With Linux 2.4 which supports
more memory, huge files and huge spaces, fewer instances will be necessary.
> You can use a static IP address
> in Linux but if you want to use Win2k
> internet connection sharing, you
> will need to use dhcp in Linux (use
> ifconfig to get the dynamic ip
> address).
Actually, you might want to set up Linux as the
gateway machine. Firewall configuration is part
of the certification process for Linux administrators.
You can use Ipchains and wrappers. You can configure
Linux with two cards. One card to the ethernet,
the other to your cable modem. The firewall is pretty
easy to configure (see ipchains).
> My only problem has been
> that Norton Personal Firewall seems to
> interfere with the Xserver connection.
> So I turn it off whilst accessing
> my Linux box.
Use Linux as the firewall.
By adding squid and using Linux as the proxy,
Linux can also provide additional caching and
read-ahead.
> James
>
--
Rex Ballard - Sr I/T Systems Architect
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 80 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 01/14/00)
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:20:38 GMT
In article <3a7c4803$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"James Bond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:34:55 +0200, "James Bond"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I am now running my second box with LM7.2
> >> remotely from my Win2k box.
> >> Using X-WinPro (now WinaXe) I get a much improved desktop - fonts
> >> overall just look better. And no more time wasted
> >> forever tweaking fonts.
> >>
> >>James :-)
Xfree has been legitimately criticized for their ugly 75 dpi fonts. Keep in
mind that these fonts were designed for low resultution 14 inch displays
which had VGA (640x480 or 800x600) display. Back in those days the only
"pretty" displays were on Sun and SGI. Windows displys at 640x480 were
actually displayed at 60 dpi.
With 1280x1024 on a 17 inch display, there was plenty of display
density, and most users, accustomed to full-screen displays on
Windows were struck by the ugliness of the courser fonts that were
enlarged to several times their original intended sizes.
There is a how-to on "deuglification" that describes how to improve
the fonts. The most important is to delete the 75dpi fonts from the
font-path. The speedo and true-type fonts are then substituted
which results in smoother high resolution rendering.
> > This is interesting. How does it work and
> > what does it do? Easy to set up?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Go to Tucows and download the trial version of winaXe.
> It installs an X-server on Win2k. Run winaXe setup,
> then configuration, and connect to
> your Linux box using query mode of XDMCP.
The practice of using X11 Servers on Windows to access
Linux consoles is actually quite old. It doesn't give
you all the features of the Linux console (KDE desktop
manager, Window managers, etc). On the other hand,
neither does Web Browser access.
It's ironica that nearly everything outside of "Office Documents" is provided
by Linux and UNIX systems accessed through Web browsers, Java Applets,
Outlook, and/or Messenger provide the most significant capabilities of IT
systems. Microsoft gets the credit because they still put their tradmarked
software on the OEMs PC and forbid integration of Linux via VMWare, Win4Lin,
or boot managers.
Keep in mind that during X11R4, the typical X11 machine was
800x600 with 256 colors (Sun's IPC) or 16 shades of grey (Sun's SLC),
with 8 meg of RAM, 500 meg hard drives (shared by 4-10 users), and
10 MIPs processors (equivalent of a 386-33).
Modern Windows 2000 systems typically sport 128 meg of RAM, 1 gigaflops
processors, with 2 gigaflop 128 bit display subsystems, 20 gigabyte hard
drives, and 100 megahertz ethernet access.
Put another way, the average Windows 2000 desktop system of today is more
powerful than the most powerful mainframes of only 4 years ago and more
powerful than the most powerful supercomputers of only 5 years ago. In 1991,
a large insurance company would use 5 3090 600J systems (600 Mips each) with
40 gigabytes of storage which was sufficient to cover a fair amount of detail
on over 1 million beneficiaries.
Keep in mind that Microsoft has, since the earliest conception
of Windows NT, assumed that "Bits, MIPs, and gigabytes are cheap"
and had no problem with wasting massive resources. Windows 2000
was Microsoft's first cut at attempting to eliminate some of the
wasteful swapping and paging of unused methods, procedures, and
initialization data.
Linux is simply more effecient. Linux can run on very small systems, even as
little as an 80386-16 with 16 meg of RAM and a 100 meg drive on up to Z-900
supermainframes capable of extremely high transaction rates. Talking with an
IBM rep on the floor of the Linux Expo, he indicated that they had
successfully implemented over 90,000 Linux virtual machines on a single Z-900
(though not doing anything terribly useful). Realisticly, it's not
inrealistic to have 2,000 Linux instances. With Linux 2.4 which supports
more memory, huge files and huge spaces, fewer instances will be necessary.
> You can use a static IP address
> in Linux but if you want to use Win2k
> internet connection sharing, you
> will need to use dhcp in Linux (use
> ifconfig to get the dynamic ip
> address).
Actually, you might want to set up Linux as the
gateway machine. Firewall configuration is part
of the certification process for Linux administrators.
You can use Ipchains and wrappers. You can configure
Linux with two cards. One card to the ethernet,
the other to your cable modem. The firewall is pretty
easy to configure (see ipchains).
> My only problem has been
> that Norton Personal Firewall seems to
> interfere with the Xserver connection.
> So I turn it off whilst accessing
> my Linux box.
Use Linux as the firewall.
By adding squid and using Linux as the proxy,
Linux can also provide additional caching and
read-ahead.
> James
>
--
Rex Ballard - Sr I/T Systems Architect
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 80 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 01/14/00)
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
------------------------------
From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:31:29 +0000
Robert Morelli wrote:
[snip]> You're absolutely right. I can see why Gates gives you a hard
on. But my
> question is, did he go far enough? Sure, computer technology has become
> fundamental to every sphere of personal, business, and government life,
> and retarding progress in it makes him a pretty exciting man. But come on!
> How about a drug strongman making billions selling crack to children?
> Surely you could bust a nut on that?
Hmmmmm. Good idea - don't tell anyone, I'll give my local vc firm a
buzz.
50-50!
:-)
How about open source (or recipe) crack?
:-)
It's all sex these days isn't it...
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:35:21 +0000
. wrote:
> > And what if the other system has no of these tools? I mean, FTP and
> > TELNET are the only tools on Windows Millenium.
>
> Alright look, you dont deserve to run linux. Cease immediately and enjoy
> your windows installation.
Nah. I've gotta find more problems first.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux editor test
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:39:33 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> kwrite "Advanced editor" slowly loads the
> entire
> 180 MB into memory. taking 95% CPU
> time,
> and catatonic the while while. I wait
> for the
> editor to come up, but it remains
> unresponsive.
> System monitor shows that it is using
> 78% of
> system memory, and still using 95%
> CPU.
> The system is also now using 234 MB of
> swap.
> After 5 minutes, it's clear this is
> the wrong tool
> for the job, so I select kwrite in
> the KDE
> process manager and send it a "kill".
>
> The disk makes some sounds, and the
> editor
> shuts down. The swap usage drops back to
>
> almost zero, the RAM is freed again, and
>
> "alles an ort und stelle".
And you were running 2.4, the latest kernel. I'm running 2.2 - maybe that's
the big difference.
I'm amazed you managed to get any GUI to respond - the whole desktop froze
on my system.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Reply-To: b o b h {at} h a u c k s {dot} o r g
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:43:40 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:05:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:43:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:31:42 GMT, Alan Peterson
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Can anyone direct me to a source of info -- print, web or otherwise
>>>-- describing only the fundamentals of tying together three Win machines
>>>to a Linux server and what it would take for them to communicate?
>>
>>http://www.samba.org/
>
>Which takes you to a merry-go-round of other pages which essentially
>say nothing that isn't in the man pages.
He won't have the man pages if he hasn't installed Samba. The mailing
list archives and such don't come with Samba either.
>They ain't selling entire books on the subject for no reason.
>The reason is, that you will need them.
I guess that must be why there are so many Windows books down at the
local Barnes & Noble.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Reply-To: b o b h {at} h a u c k s {dot} o r g
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:43:42 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:38:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:23:05 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I seldom see any dusty boxes. What are dusty are old versions of
>> things. Just like the old versions of Windows programs.
>And I saw boxes of SuSE 6.4.
>Redhat 6.2
>Caldera 2.2.
>And even some antique versions of FreeBSD.
>They even had BEOS!!
>
>All were dusty and looked like they had not been touched in weeks.
And like the man said, the things you listed are all old versions.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anyone know the SoftImage story?
Date: 3 Feb 2001 20:44:25 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Morelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone here know what the history of the computer
> digital video company SoftImage is? The basic outline is
> that SoftImage was founded in the 1980's to produce
> video editing software for SGI IRIX systems. SoftImage
> is what was used to create the animations for Jurassic Park
> for instance. In 1994, Microsoft acquired the company and
> it subsequently began supporting NT. However, in 1998,
> SoftImage was acquired by Avid technology, another
> leader in digital media.
Thats pretty much it, except that Jurassic Park was done using
many more animation/skinning/raytracing programs than SoftImage.
> What I don't understand is why Microsoft sold SoftImage.
Microsoft is not in the business of doing "niche" software. There
was clearly not enough fast money in it. SoftImage doesnt need to
"compete"; its simply the best application in its particular niche;
which is cheap raytracing and modeling.
> In any case, SoftImage has been ported to Linux now and
> it's due to be released in a month or so. According to the
> press releases, the move to Linux was propelled by strong
> customer demand. I find that a little puzzling, considering
> how limited multimedia support is under Linux.
SoftImage isnt a "multimedia" application. Its a medium-level
modeling/raytracing/skinning application. All you need to have
to look at its product is a good video card. Translation to celluloid/
betacam/video/etc has nothing to do with "multimedia" application.
> Note that
> SoftImage, like most high end digital editing software,
> is pricey -- thousands of dollars per license. This is not
> some whimsical move.
Actually, licenses can be had for just a few hundred.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: I edited my inetd.conf with Word.
Date: 3 Feb 2001 20:47:48 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on 2 Feb 2001 00:20:24 GMT
> <95cug8$ech$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>#echo stream tcp nowait root internal^M
>>#echo dgram udp wait root internal^M
>>#discard stream tcp nowait root internal^M
>>#discard dgram udp wait root internal^M
> One of the more annoying aspects of code management on a mixed
> system is that lines added in VC++ have the ^M added on,
> readily visible in Unix (or Linux) when vi or emacs is fired up
> thereon. Visual SourceSafe also has some peculiar notions
> at times as to what to do with these ^M's; I'm still not
> sure what it's doing, but it leads to problems with scripts
> (*never* edit a shell or Perl script with Word unless you know
> exactly what you're doing;
> #!/bin/sh^M
Indeed. Imagine my surprise when I did a tar blahblah.tar -I listof10000-
usernamestobemovedtoadifferentmailserver and I got a screenfull of
10,000 file not found errors. The person that had given me the list was
a full-fledged sysadmin with lots of experience, but had popped the list
through WORD before giving it to me. Some sense of humor.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: 3 Feb 2001 20:48:35 GMT
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> . wrote:
>> > And what if the other system has no of these tools? I mean, FTP and
>> > TELNET are the only tools on Windows Millenium.
>>
>> Alright look, you dont deserve to run linux. Cease immediately and enjoy
>> your windows installation.
> Nah. I've gotta find more problems first.
Surely you have something a little more meaningful to pursue, no?
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:55:54 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:23:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>Well, OK. Linux is not taking over the desktop. In fact, I would
>venture to say it will never take over the desktop, until and
>unless people get over the notion that Microsoft is better than
>Linux because Microsoft is a collected bunch of programmers
>(plus QA personnell plus technical support plus accounts payable
>plus accounts receivable plus sales plus marketing plus plus plus...),
>whereas Linux is a very loosely distributed enterprise done by
>a bunch of amateur hackers in their spare time (with the possible
>exception of the kernel which is managed by Linux Torvalds,
>although it's not clear to me how much work he does on the kernel
>proper as opposed to analyzing and accepting (or rejecting) patches
>submitted thereto. (There's another guy involved; one of them does
>development (x.odd), and the other stable (x.even), but I can't
>remember his name to save me.).)
That has nothing to do with it. It's all about applications and
hardware support and until Joe User can get all of his favorite
applications and hardware to run under Linux it will never get
anywhere on the desktop.
>Now that IBM is in the picture, this could change; IBM's model
>is somewhat similar to Microsoft's as far as code development goes.
>I could easily see IBM managing its cadre of programmers, who look
>over freeware source code, fix bugs in it, and release it back to the
>community under the same license. (Whether this is something they're
>doing, I don't know. I don't work there. :-) )
Everything IBM has touched as far as home use is concerned has turned
to dust.
Best thing Linux could do would be to keep IBM out of the
home/desktop/Linux market.
They will screw it up royally..
Trust me.
snip....Linux on server stuff that i agree with.....
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:58:12 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:43:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
>And like the man said, the things you listed are all old versions.
I don't see any copies of Windows 95 on the shelves?
My guess is MEI is waiting for some suckers to by the outdated
versions, which obviously hasn't happened in some time yet.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:59:38 +0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Show me a box that says "supports Linux" on the outside. Best I could do
> was a Linksys card and even then they sent you to a website to down load
> an ancient driver.
>
Strange that you should mention Linksys. I bought a Linksys PCMCIA
ethernet card. I had left my Thinkpad running Linux while I was out so,
before I even took my coat off, I plugged in it. I immediately heard
those two high pitched beeps that tells you the card has been properly
recognized. It was working perfectly 30 seconds after I walked in the
door. I thought to myself, gee this was easy. So I decided to boot up
W2K and see how it did. Lousy. It didn't recognize the card. It
took me many hours over a period of a few days. I finally tried
deleting all network connections and all TCPIP definitions - it had
previously been setup to use the token ring card just as Linux had.
Finally, after deleting everything , rebooting, and going through
countless complex point and click menus, I got it running. Of course, I
never use W2K - it doesn't support the apps I need. I just wanted to see
if I could get it to work.
Gary
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From: Dan Hinojosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My open-source quote
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:06:12 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Only if your defintion of "comfortable" includes an un-removable anal-probe
> with optional testicle-squeezer-and-perforator.
What are trying to do and prove with stuff like that?
>
>
> > --Dan Hinojosa, Java Developer
>
> So, what Dan is saying, is that, if he wrote something, and released
> it under GPL or something similar, that he would do a 3rd-rate job on
> it.
Why would I? My name needs to be synonymous with good quality, as other
programmers should feel. The problem with large GPL projects is that egos
clash, and since there is not much (or no) money involved things that are
important and necessary get placed on the backburner, while the frilly things
gets done first.
>
>
> Sounds like a problem with your own personal standards Dan.
What are you talking about,? It is just a quote. Don't get too personal, it's
not like I commented about your family, or commented about your personal
hygiene. Sheesh.
>
>
> Reminds me of the time the Chicago police department took a bunch of
> reporters to the "reaction" range. The reporters who had a record of
> writing the most anti-gun and anti-police articles coincided quite well
> with the reporters who had a lot of "shot bystander and/or cop" shots.
>
> Inother words...many times, when someone complains about someone else's
> non-existance failings...what they are REALLY doing is complaining about
> their own failings.
>
> With the Chicago journalists...it was their OWN inability to use firearms
> responsibly...with YOU, it's your OWN reluctance to write quality code
> without
> some manager breathing down your neck making sure you actually do some
> error checking and recovery.
Good story, but no, I don't feel that way. You don't know me really, so let me
clear the air. I am developer with the Java programming langauge. It has the
best of both worlds, one is that it has the *free* feel to it. It also is
multiplatform. The other thing is that Sun has a vested interest in keeping it
under control without renegade developers changing standard items just because
they thinks it's cool (although, networking sometimes falls prey to that).
I am all for GPL. Currently, I am using jBoss which is an open-source Java
Application Server. jBoss to me beats the living snot out of BEA (the defacto
leader) as far as performance. The problem is the documentation. As with most
GPL software, much of it is not there, and the stuff that is there is written
so cryptic it is hard to get things going.
I have used *x operating systems, and I love them. Problem is that I can never
install them. I spend more time reading the multiple HOW-TOs because my video
doesn't work that it has become more of a hassle.
That is why my quote has some fair meaning, and some of the members got the
point when they said they can put their own customizable seat. I could easily
have said that open-source is like a skateboard but I didn't. I hold both of
their performances equal, but you have to admit that open-source doesn't have
much offer as far as ease of use.
Dan Hinojosa
Java Zealot
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