Linux-Advocacy Digest #981, Volume #25 Thu, 6 Apr 00 02:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (T.
Max Devlin)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (T.
Max Devlin)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: What should be done with MS ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux mail/news application questions (Michael Powe)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Jim Richardson)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. ("fmc")
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser. (Dave Clemans)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Jim Richardson)
Re: So where are the MS supporters. (Terry Porter)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451641 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Jim Richardson)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:57:16 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting fmc from alt.destroy.microsoft; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:42:15 GMT
>"Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> Yet that's exactly what it is. You have no innate right to control
>> other people's property. That right is given by the government in
>> order to foster progress. But in the case of the software industry,
>> there is good reason to believe these laws are stifling progress.
>
>You've been reading that RS manifesto, haven't you? What a waste of time.
>You see, my rights are not doled out by the government. I also happen to
>own MY intellectual property.
That's not an "also". You have rights to property because your rights are
inalienable, and not "doled out" or in any other way provided by the
government. Other than their successful efforts to ensure that other's don't
deal themselves into your rights on their own.
But as far as *intellectual* property goes, the very concept is created and
manifest solely by government laws providing your ideas and your mental works
with the same protection against others as your speech and your physical
property.
>I'm not interested in controlling anyone
>else's, and no one else has the right to copy what belongs to me without my
>permission. RS may think otherwise, but he's wrong.
But unfortunately their not having "the right" to take what belongs to you is
not what prevents them from doing so. It is the government ensuring you can
practice your rights which does that. So if the government didn't prevent you
from copying anyone else's intellectual property, would you feel the need to
take others, or would their natural right be enough? It certainly seems to be
in art and performance. But then again, is it the big bold "FBI WARNING"
screen, or the relative convenience and relatively low cost of renting videos
which prevents you from stealing movies?
RS firmly understands that nobody has the right to take what belongs to you
without your permission. As soon as you intellectually create something worth
stealing, let us know.
[...]
>> Similarly, without the GNU project Linux would not be on any shelves.
>> It probably never would have been created.
>
>Then change the name of this NG from COLA to COGLA.
Sounds like bickering.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:01:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] from alt.destroy.microsoft; Wed, 05 Apr
2000 23:44:30 GMT
>I don't care if you have choice. [...]
Need we hear more?
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T. Max Devlin
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Managed Services
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Date: 6 Apr 2000 05:02:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] allegedly wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:44:38 +0100, Jim Dabell
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
[SNIP]
>>> >How does freedom with software make it automatically buggy?
>>>
>>> It makes it cheap looking and half done looking.
>>> Take a look at typical Linux applications and you will see. Maybe in
>>> another 5 years they will look complete, but for now.......
>>
>>Oh, so you are just talking about appearances? "Cheap *looking* and
>>half done *looking*"? How does this affect their usefulness?
>
>
>The UI sucks.
>Slrn for instance.
>Who wants to go and edit .slrnrc everytime a change is needed. I can
>pull messages from any newsgroup I want on a custumized basis, and
>change it on the fly, and read one group while the other do there
>thing, all without editing one single file.
>And I can put them all back to defaults the next time, again without
>one statement being entered in a file.
This is a contrived argument if ever I heard one. I use, and
have been using slrn and I have only ever to configure it twice.
Once, the first time I set it up, and again when I went from
Slackware 3.6 to 4.0.
>Back up 500 messages in a single group because I might have missed
>something?
>Easy with 2 clicks of a mouse, all while I am reading the other groups
>which I have changed properties on just for this session, all on the
>fly.
How often do you do that? This is yet-another-contrived-example.
[Blind hatred, and mindless FUD snipped]
--
"The UNIX philosophy is to provide some scraps of metal and an enormous
roll of duct tape. With those -- and possibly some scraps of your own
-- you can conquer the world." -- G. Sumner Hayes
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:10:01 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting Dustin Collett from alt.destroy.microsoft; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:40:45
-0500
>On Wed, 05 Apr 2000, Damien wrote:
>>On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:18:46 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>| On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:50:09 GMT, "Leonard F. Agius"
>>| <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>| accumulated over the years just to run wannabe Linux applications with
>>| crude, sometimes down right hostile interfaces (sendmail comes to
>>| mind).
>>| You Linvocates have got to be kidding.
>>
>>Sendmail is not an "app". It's a deamon, a mail transfer agent to be
>>specific.
>
>This person probably heard how arcane the conf files are...never implemented
>it...nothing, no one who has ANY experience would dare call it an "application"
The arcane config files are because using sendmail for modern "Internet email"
is like using a supercomputer for a memo; the proverbial "Mac truck to the
store for milk". In truth, there are exactly two things you must do to get
sendmail working almost perfectly for the trivial needs of most users.
Admittedly, they are arcane (unless its in linuxconfig or whatever, I've only
dappled, myself, I'm thinking of sendmail on Sun), but they're really pretty
simple, and one is entering your ISPs mail server.
Now, if you want to become a full-fledge mail exchange, with dozens of
corporate accounts, full authentication, and local IMAP mail boxes with VPN
access, well, I suggest something other than the default mail transfer agent.
No one with any experience WOULD call it an application. It's a server, at
most. Since its the default server IT CAN DO ANYTHING YOU KNOW HOW TO
CONFIGURE IT TO DO. If you want to have a server which is more limited, and
less configurable, you'll have to look for one to meet your needs. Which
makes sense.
As long as they put those two things in linuxconfig the next chance they
get... :-)
Because what we want our computers to do isn't to make arcane configuration
files unavailable. We want to make working with them entirely unnecessary.
There is a difference.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What should be done with MS
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:06:39 -0500
Tesla Coil wrote:
> U.S District Judge rules Microsoft guilty of engaging
> in anticompetitive practices that harmed consumers by
> stifling innovation--meanwhile, the FBI discovers that
> computers running Windows are dialing 911 to register
> their locations on police databases prior to wiping out
> their filesystems. Gee, almost like science fiction...
Oh. I thought it dialed 911 so there would be an ambulance already on
the way in case you had a heart attack when you discovered that all your
files had been deleted.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:14:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting D. Wilson from alt.destroy.microsoft; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:01:33 -0400
[...]
>The computer is a wonderful tool. But it is just a tool, and needs to
>be learned, in order to use it effectively. Since it is a tool, how can
>you justify that people don't care how it works.
You're just confusing not caring with not wanting to care. When someone says
"I don't care..." they usually mean "I don't want to care...". This is
certainly a natural human reaction. Not necessarily noble, but
understandable.
>When people drive a
>vehicle (a tool), do they just want the vehicle to take them to the
>grocery store, put gas in itself, and even shop for them at the store?
Yes, if they think it is possible, they would want that. With software, they
have the dis/advantage of not being able to see the problems involved in
expecting that to happen anytime soon. And how will it happen, when it does?
Why "computers", of course. Its a magical thing when you don't understand
computers to begin with. And that is the default for most people, even these
days.
>If so, what would be anyone's purpose in life? Better yet, why would we
>even have brains, if we never want to know how things work, or how to
>make them work better.
If they can get Ultima On-Line 2 working well, I have something in mind...
>I do not profess to be a "Linvocates" as you put it, but more of a
>realist. Just to prove a point, I am an MCP. I am also certified in
>OS/2 and AIX. I don't believe that just because you like the
>alternative OS's like the BSD's, BeOs's, and Linuxes, you don't have a
>grasp on reality. Hey, not being part of the collective puts us in the
>15% category. Come on and give it a try. As a matter of fact, tell a
>friend, or someone you just met. It really doesn't hurt to THINK.
No, but its still pretty scary, you gotta admit.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Date: 05 Apr 2000 21:43:07 -0700
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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Michael> On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 04:16:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael> (Kaz Kylheku) wrote:
>> I once tried newsreading under Windows with Forte Free Agent,
>> which is touted as some hot shit in the Windows. I lasted a
>> remarkable two weeks. I'm still trying to block the painful
>> memories. What an obnoxious piece of crud!
>> No wonder Windows users stumble around Usenet like they are
>> lost. ;)
Michael> I'm curious....what was it that bugged you about Free
Michael> Agent? I've tried nearly every newsreader available for
Michael> Win32, and I can't even stand to use anything besides
Michael> Agent. (I am fairly ignorant about Linux newsreaders,
Michael> however.) As a matter of fact, Free Agent is one of the
Michael> few demo products that actually convinced me to buy the
Michael> commercial version. There must be something about it
Michael> that clashes with the way you normally like to work.
Michael> Calling what is widely considered to be the best
Michael> newsreader available for ANY platform a "obnoxious piece
Michael> of crud" is a statement that requires some backing up. :)
I agree with him. It's a horrible reader. I suspect that it's only
"widely considered the best newsreader for ANY platform" by people
who've never used anything on any other platform. My years on Wintel
were years of searching for a decent reader. I tried and discarded
Agent early on in that search.
Gnus, my present reader, is so much faster and so much more efficient
and so much more configurable -- there's no contest. It works the way
I want it to.
I think what I most dislike about GUI readers is the amount of screen
space wasted with buttons and bars. I actually like to see more than
10 lines of a message at a time. But, I also dislike the time wasted
by pointing and clicking, too.
mp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:21:10 GMT
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:26:32 -0500,
Erik Funkenbusch, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> There is a lot of imitation in the linux camp, and there is
>> nothing wrong with that.
>
>Ah, but there is something wrong with Microsoft duplicating someone elses
>work.
Nothing wrong with borrowing someones ideas, only with calling them
your own.
>>
>> The initial tests were rigged. The fact that subsequent
>> non-rigged tests, while still showing NT outperforming linux on
>> this test, also proved that the previous ones were indeed rigged.
>
>The initial tests weren't rigged. The initial testers simply did not have
>access to the information to configure Linux optimally, and in true Linux
>fashion were ridiculed on the newsgroups for asking questions.
This is false, as you were shown when the first mindcraft test was
done. Mindcraft didn't ask for help on newsgroups (there was one message
that might have been from mindcraft, but the numerous replies to it asking
for more info were ignored and no further messages that had anything to do
with the test setup were posted.) Mindcraft made 2 little but vital changes,
one to apache, and one to samba. They configured Apache to do a reverse
name lookup on all http requests (IIS was not configured to do this, if
indeed it can), and they configured Samba to not follow widelinks, which
means that Samba first verifies that a given file is linked off the samba
drive, before giving it to the requesting client, something that windows
cannot do. So they lied about posting numerous messages and getting no
reponces, and the changed the default configs of both Apache and Samba
in ways that slowed them down drastically, and did not configure the
windows services in the same manner (probably in part because they did
not have these features)
>
>Red Hat also dropped the ball by not referring them to the correct support
>number for their needs.
>
>
>
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "fmc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:23:00 GMT
"Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:42:15 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | > On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:29:25 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > |
> | > | "Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> | > | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | > | > On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:13:36 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> | > | > fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> | > | If he believes that his intellectual property is meant to be shared,
> | that's
> | > | his business, and he can copyright the GPL to do just that. In
fact,
> | the
> | > | word "copyright" is used no less than 16 times in the GPL sample
text at
> | > | http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/gpl.txt
> | > |
> | > | The hypocrisy starts when he makes excuses for piracy that violates
the
> | > | intellectual property of other people. Just because HIS license
> | requires
> | > | the user to share the covered software doesn't mean that MY
copyrighted
> | > | property is OK to share with others. Yet he approves of just that
when
> | he
> | > | says that software piracy no more than ``sharing information with
your
> | > | neighbor''.
> | >
> | > Yet that's exactly what it is. You have no innate right to control
> | > other people's property. That right is given by the government in
> | > order to foster progress. But in the case of the software industry,
> | > there is good reason to believe these laws are stifling progress.
> |
> | You've been reading that RS manifesto, haven't you?
>
> What can I say? I'm a fan.
>
> | You see, my rights are not doled out by the government. I also happen
to
> | own MY intellectual property. I'm not interested in controlling anyone
> | else's, and no one else has the right to copy what belongs to me without
my
> | permission. RS may think otherwise, but he's wrong.
>
> Really? Perhaps you can explain how you own the right to limit what
> other people can say or do?
Non sequitur. I said nothing about limiting someone else's rights, only
about protecting my own.
fmc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:33:10 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when T. Max Devlin would say:
>Quoting Dustin Collett from alt.destroy.microsoft; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:40:45
>-0500
>>This person probably heard how arcane the conf files are...never implemented
>>it...nothing, no one who has ANY experience would dare call it an "application"
>
>The arcane config files are because using sendmail for modern "Internet email"
>is like using a supercomputer for a memo; the proverbial "Mac truck to the
>store for milk".
The arcane config files are there because sendmail was enhanced over time
to know how to transfer mail to kinds of email systems that virtually
don't exist anymore, probably most notably:
a) UUCP
b) Bitnet
The perverse complexity is there to cope with all the perversity of
pathologically non-interoperable mail systems that have largely been
replaced by SMTP.
--
"Of course 5 years from now that will be different, but 5 years from
now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M
SPARCstation-5." -- Andrew Tanenbaum, 1992.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Dave Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
rec.video.satellite.dbs,alt.satellite.tv,rec.video.satellite.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x,comp.infosystems.www.browsers,comp.infosystems.www.browswers.misc
Subject: Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser.
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:33:19 GMT
In rec.video.satellite.dbs Randy Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Simply amazing.
> I just tried to visit http://www.dishnetwork.com, but every
> time it crashed Netscape within visiting one, or at most two
> links off the main page. (I'm running Linux Redhat 6.0,
> Netscape 4.61, and I'm no newbie to Living Without Windows.)
Just fyi... I tried www.dishnetwork.com today with the new preview release of
Netscape V6.0. No crashes, but the url "hot spots" (or whatever you call them)
didn't necessarily line up with the graphics.
I didn't see that problem on any other site.
dgc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:49:46 GMT
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 05:13:14 GMT,
Christopher Browne, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jim Richardson would say:
>>
>>Not to detract from the point re: programming
>>But couldn't the <></> tag pairs be considered registers?
>>Like
>><b>Bold register active</b> bold register inactive
>>
>>(sorry if this fragment of html screws up your newsreader anyone. )
>>
>>Crude as heck, and still leaves the conditional branch unnaccounted for,
>>but amusing none-the-less.
>
>Sure, so long as your HTML "program" has the ability to, via only
>the tags available in either the HTML 3.2 or 4.0 DTDs, modify
>the contents of those pairs.
>--
Oh, I am not claiming that HTML is a programming language, I just noticed
that it has a way of storing state information. Not what I'd call
useful (in a programming sense) but interesting none-the-less. Frankly,
I am not well versed in html enough to go any deeper than this.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 6 Apr 2000 13:54:19 +0800
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:06:43 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 5 Apr 2000 12:22:43 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry
>Porter) wrote:
>
>
>>If you cant keep up with Jedi, thats your problem "Steve".
>
>You have to send me one of those jedi to english doublepeak
>translators.
I don't need one.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Linux would be better off with you on the Windows side.
>>Nope, wrong again, Jedi has used Windows and is intelligent enuf to know a
>>loosing OS when he sees one.
>>
>>Unlike "Steve" Jedi's integrity isn't for sale. "Steve" has been a anonymous
>>MS Troll here for over 2 years, he's in everyones kill files under several fake
>>aliases, and has *ZERO* credibility.
>
>Who cares?
About reading your posts, probably no one ?
I do it for fun.
>
>>The last thing "Steve" would want known, is his real name.
>>
>>Who could trust someone like this, or anything he recommended ???
>
>You don't have to believe me.
>Try it for yourself.
Why bother, the things you recommend cost $$$ to try. I'm not interested.
Peddle ya snake oil somwhere else brother!
>
>>
>>>You prove our point about linux every time.
>>
>>You have no point "Steve", as usual you're flapping around like a blowfish
>>on the wharf, that's been disgarded as worthless.
>
>
>You won't try it because you are afraid your bleoved Linux will fail,
>like it usually does.
Hasn't failed me yet.
>
>Same reason there are no TPC benchmarks for Linux.
That's a sad, lonely comeback, "Heather/Steve/Amy", I had hoped for a *lot*
better than that old "TPC" troll.
Everyone knows Microsoft sponsored benchmarks will *always* make Linux
look bad in comparison. That the point of sales droid sponsored benchmarks
or didnt ya know ?
Benchmarks are for advertising only. In the *real* world, they're worthless.
Just like your posts.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:55:50 GMT
On 5 Apr 2000 22:52:46 GMT,
abraxas, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 5 Apr 2000 04:13:55 GMT,
>> abraxas, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>
>> So are you saying that the sole criteria for something to be a programming
>> language is that it runs through a compliler rather than an interpreter?
>> If that's the case, then even with that weird def, python passes, as the
>> python VM (virtual machine) compiles the code into a byte-compiled .pyc file
>
>No, thats not what im saying. I'm saying that its controversial. I have not
>given my opinion on the definition of python.
>
Not to drift so far of topic as to be lost but...
in what way is python controversial viz being a programming language?
There are plenty of people who don't like it, but I have never heard of it
being called not a programming language.
(how's that for a poorly constructed sentence, but I think you get the idea.)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451641
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:58:06 GMT
Today's Haakmat digest:
1> I'm so happy to see you're digesting me again.
What is the basis for your use of "again"? I've been digestifying your
postings for some time. You simply disappeared for a while. But now
you're back "again".
1> I was beginning to think you had become oblivious to all that is
1> wonderful about our relationship.
What alleged "relationship"? You were the one who disappeared for a
while.
1> Perhaps they love to hate you.
Illogical. That doesn't explain why they claim one thing and do another.
1> Just you and me, Dave.
Where did I say anything about me seeing it? That's not enough to make
it worth my while.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:07:44 GMT
On 5 Apr 2000 22:54:07 GMT,
abraxas, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <8ceei3$7d0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Python (and most ive discussed this with agree) is a controversial
>>> beast. It seems to be a scripting language that acts just like a
>>> programming language. And thats if you DONT embedd C.
>
>> Python *is* a programming language. It belongs to the major class of
>> programming languages known as "scripting languages".
>
>Scripting languages are not programming languages.
>
>
You keep saying that, but it doesn't make any sense.
What is your definition of a programming language?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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