Linux-Advocacy Digest #981, Volume #31 Mon, 5 Feb 01 05:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Getting first W2K server ("Todd")
Re: usability? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Nick Condon)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Daza")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 04:55:51 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote on 2/5/01 3:14 AM:
>
> > That's because you refuse to take your hand off the stupid mouse.
> >
> > I'm 10x more productive on just a couple of dumb ascii terminals connected
> > to a Unix machine than I'll ever be with current Windows offerings.
> >
> > And yes, I am 100% serious when I say that.
> >
> > There is VERY little work that actually needs a GUI.
>
> Clearly you do nothing visual.
Actually, i am. Graphics is what got me into computing.
I'm also an artist; People on 5 different continents have pictures that
I have drawn hanging on their walls.
> I work in a part of computing where users
> have to interact and approve of aesthetically of the stuff I do. You can't
> do image editing in text, you can't to good page layout in text. You can't
> do good web design without previewing it under a GUI.
Well DUH.
However, writing a memo does NOT require a GUI.
Data Entry does NOT require a GUI.
Dispatching service personell does NOT require a GUI.
Corporate book-keeping does NOT require a GUI
Customer contact management does NOT require a GUI
Is any of this getting through your thick skull?
>
> It has nothing to do with using a mouse (90% of what I use I use hot keys
> for but they still require a GUI. 14 hot key sequences in photoshop still
> require seeing the image!) and everything to do with working with modern
> computing and not carrying on a 70's dinosaur legacy of computing.
If the bloated, resource-hungery WIMP interface is so easy to use, why
do you bypass it in favor of hotkeys?
>
> Even email "can" be done in text but you can't HTML formated emails in text
> and have them look right.
>
> People who insist text is great for everything don't use their computers for
> anything that came out since 82!
Of course text is not great for EVERYTHING....but it covers over 95% of
what computers are used for.
If the typical business office had the GUI's ripped out of 95% of the
desktops,
company would suffer not in the slightest.
You do NOT need WYSIWYG to type memos and policy letters.
>
> -G3
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 04:56:21 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote on 2/5/01 3:12 AM:
>
> >> On the other hand trying to install red hat I had to restore drive
> >> partitions like 5 times.
> >
> > What were you doing wrong?
>
> Installing Linux.
>
Only if you're incompetant.
> (Apparently it liked Windows 98 as much as 98 liked it, and not it wasn't 98
> that fucked the drive it was LINUX, Caldera OpenLinux the first time, the
> Red Hat the next)
>
> -G3
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:57:34 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:95l9ht$1tk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] () posted:
> >
> > | >>| >> I'm sure you're speaking about a recent version of Mandrake.
Try
> Win2k
> > | >>| >> and you'll be equally stunned.
> > | >>> |
> > | >>> | I run Win2K Professional and there's no comparison....
> > | >>> | Mandrake wins, hands down, for hardware detection.
> > | >>
> > | >>Do you still have to select your display adapter and monitor?
> > > |
> > > | Still?
> > > |
> > > | Redhat 5.0 did video autodetection, nevermind Mandrake 7.2.
> >
> > Come on!! I just installed Mandrake under VMWare on my system, as well
> > as on another system and I had to choose monitor and graphics card
> > manually. This is how I have always done it and I didn't have to do
> > this when I installed Win2k. My sound card, graphics card (specific
> > drivers), monitor, modems, printer, scanner and zip250 drive were all
> > installed and ready for use when I installed Win2k. My mission here is
> > not really to preach how wonderful Win2k is but to just mention that
> > I've had better experience with Windows plug and play that Linux.
> > Since a Linux version with the new kernel was mentioned with regards
> > to great plug and play support, I thought I'd ask about graphics card
> > detection.
>
> VMWare probably doesn't let Mandrake direct access to the hardware.
> Win2K wouldn't let VMWare direct access to the hardware, for that matter.
> No wonder it didn't work.
As far as video is concerned, VMware provides a generic driver that Windows
can use that provides the same capabilities as the host computer's X
driver. Sound works pretty much the same way. I've used VMWare with 2K, 95,
and 98 sessions and have had great success with it. My hat's off to the
guys and gals who hacked that code out!
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting first W2K server
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:01:01 +0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Lloyd Llewellyn wrote:
> >
> > >I and
> > > programming and admins are wondering what ugly surprises is lurking
for us in
> > > running W2K in this situation.
> >
> > Well, we just moved a system from AIX to Win2K two days ago. Worked
fine under
> > AIX, but now print jobs max out the CPU (like, 100%) when printing to a
text
> > printer on a local LPT port. Easily enough solved by putting the
printer on
> > its own box, but why is that an issue in Windows? It shouldn't be.
It's not... go to device manager and make sure the 'use any interrupt
assigned to the port' is checked. By default, it is not. If it isn't
checked, the 2000 will use polling vs. using an interrupt. You should see a
marked improvement.
We use Windows 2000 servers at work for serving many different printers and
thousands of users. CPU bandwidth isn't even an issue.
-Todd
>
> Considering that this is a task which, at MAXIMUM should only take a few
> kHz of CPU bandwidth, this is fucking PATHETIC.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: usability?
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:59:36 GMT
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> >
> > The last statistics I saw was that 69% of the game audience was in the
age
> > range of 16-28. While that includes kids. it also includes lots of
adults.
>
> Yea, so? Most people under the age of 30 are children. The wonderful
irony is
> that you won't understand until you are well over 30.
Well put!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 05:00:08 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote on 2/5/01 3:07 AM:
>
> > Installing HP-UX or Solaris is a breeze.
> >
> > Spend 10 minutes setting time zone, IP address, partitions, etc.
> > Come back in 30 minutes, and you're done.
>
> When I installed LINUX I spent like 1.5 hours just trying to find a mouse
> and keyboard it would recognize, then more time trying to get it to see a
> simple thing like a CD ROM, (it never did get the printer), I remember I had
> to restart like 4 times to get the monitor to install, the partition program
> kept fucking up, then the damn thing didn't want to connect to the LAN (and
> thus the net) took 2 days of strait teeth pulling, and I only had it
> installed for like 4 months before saying fuck it I've got more important
> things to do with disk space. My mac already does IP routing, and web
> serving, and I only have 5 machines on my LAN so I don't need local mail
> servers or things like that.
Linux is not HP-UX or Solaris.
Of course...your "Linux Horror Stories" are beginning to sound like
Pete Goodwin's....springing from incompetance.
Here's an idea... if you are switching operating systems, start out
first with standard, mainstream devices, not bleeding edge, "there's
only 3 in existance out of the lab" products.
If RedHat and Caldera couldn't identify your mouse and keyboard, then
you must be using some reallllllllllly obscure stuff... either that,
or telling it that you had an AT keyboard when you have PS/2 devices.
>
> All in all it was a waste.
>
I'm beginning to think that your every breath is a waste of oxygen.
You should, like, do something about that.
> (and there weren't even any good NeXTStep themes for any of the stupid
> "desktop environments")
>
> -g3!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: 5 Feb 2001 09:58:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote in
<gkRe6.17662$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Nick Condon wrote:
>
>> Pete Goodwin said: "there are no free calls in the UK."
>
>So I made a mistake. I don't keep up with all that's changing in the
>world of free calls here in the UK.
>
>> Do you wish to change your statement? How about this:
>> Pete Goodwin has numerous options for unmetered Internet access but
>> can't seem to get it together, so he pays for every minute he's
>> on-line.
>
>Ah, but I'm not that stupid. I'm about to change to a fixed rate of £33
>a month for a cable internet service, where I don't pay for being on
>line and get 500kbits/sec.
So can we look forward to endless posts about how Linux sucks because you
can't figure out how to plug your cable modem into the mains?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 05:03:54 -0500
Daza wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daza wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nor could they make either OS truly multi-user. One would
> hope
> > > that,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > > these were competitive products, they might take advantage of
> the
> > > fact
> > > > > > > > that a microcomputer does not necessarily benefit from the
> > > multi-user
> > > > > > > > methods of Unix-style OSes, instead of constantly failing to
> even
> > > > > > > > recognize the distinction, let alone take advantage of it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Explain this statement, why do you think that NT isn't a multi
> user
> > > OS?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How many people can log into an NT Server machine and control it
> > > > > > using the GUI interface?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just asking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, I've one remote session, one console session, and one TS
> > > > > connection from the console to this computer (I'm doing some admin
> work,
> > > and
> > > > > don't feel like logging off, adn runas works only half the time in
> > > > > Whistler).
> > > > > The top that this computer has been through was 6 sessions +
> console,
> > > it's a
> > > > > PIII 500 + 384MB, it didn't seem to cause major slowdown to any of
> the
> > > > > connections.
> > > > > I can't really answer this question, but I've heard numbers that
> range
> > > from
> > > > > 20 to 50 or more.
> > > >
> > > > How many $$$$$$$$$$$ extra did you have to spend to get this
> 1960's-era
> > > > capability
> > > > --
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> > > With NT4 and W2k (and 3.51 I think) you can easily use a remote console
> >
> > If you're willing to spend $300/machine for the 3rd-party software,
> > or, with Lose2k, about $150/machine for the Terminal Services licenses.
> >
> >
> > > session to do command line administration. With W2k server you can also
> use
> > > Terminal Services to do remote GUI administration tasks. These are
> standard
> > > tools supplied by Microsoft as part of Server versions of their OS. No
> > > extra cash required.
> >
> > ...other than licenses.
> >
>
> Remote Admin, either terminal or GUI, does not require extra licenses with
> W2k server. You are correct that remote multi-user sessions do require a
> per user license to use authenticated Terminal Services. But if you really
> need to employ Windows apps (sometimes you have no choice!) in a large
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A highly doubtful presumption right there
> organisation, Terminal Services is a good solution.
>
> You know, Linux makes a good workstation OS to support accessing Terminal
> Services.
Linux/Unix makes an even BETTER workstation in a Microsoft-free environment.
IF you don't believe me....ask ANYONE who works at an automotive supplier.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Daza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:02:08 -0000
Reply-To: "Daza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daza wrote:
>
> > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > Have you looked at specweb 99? Nobody has better 8-way
> > > results than Linux, not solaris, not aix, not Tru-64 Unix.
> > >
> > > microsoft, with their all-out "benchmark buster" web cache
> > > configuration, came close, but you can see the results for
> > > normally aspirated windows pcs way down in the results.
> > >
> > > jjs
> > >
> >
> > Ooooh. 8-way. So many. ;-)
>
> Actually, 8 way is considerably more than 99.9% of the
> webservers on the planet are using. But give it time, I
> saw Linux running on a 16 way Itanium box last summer.
> and how many processors can you get in an IBM S/390?
>
A single IBM/S390 can have up to 16 processors. But IBM have done a fine
job of making a Parallel Sysplex cluster appear as one resource. Therefore
from an admin/application point of view the single system could appear to be
much greater than 16 cpus. The same can be said for Nonstop Himalaya, Tru64
clusters etc.
Anyway, I wasn't just talking about webservers, I was really talking about
transaction engines. You know, the systems that actually perform the
mission critical processing, rather than just serve web pages.
For web serving Linux does have an excellent performance record. I
personally would use Linux rather than W2k for web serving.
> >
> > Try 64-way?
>
> Say, how many CPUs are in these Beowulf clusters that
> are starting to fill out the top 500 list - and didn't IBM just
> announce that they are building a 512 processor monster
> for some government agency?
>
> (I know, I know, it's not the same...)
>
> > I only lump Linux and Windows together because they both have limited
SMP
> > scalability compared to many high end OS's.
>
> So why not say "macos 8 and windows", or "freebsd and linux"?
>
> Grouping such opposites together makes it hard to
> follow what your point is.
>
Okay, point taken. Maybe this will help. It is possible place each OS into
either high-end or low-end categories.
At the high end I would put those OS that have *easily managed* high
scalability and availability. Easily managed means nodes and resources
across nodes can be managed as a single resource. Scalablity can either be
through large SMP support (Solaris) or large cluster support OS/390, Nonstop
Kernel.
At the lower end, I would put the other OS's. I personally would place
Linux and Windows here. As I would MacOS, FreeBSD etc. I only named Linux
and Windows as these seem to be mentioned a lot in this thread! I am sure
many would disagree with placing Linux as a low end OS. It is true that
very large Linux clusters have been created (the same can be said for
Windows by the way, though it *was* very expensive!). However, managing a
large Linux cluster is still very specialised and difficult compared to the
mature high end OS's. I am sure that over time this will improve.
> > In my original message I did
> > point out that clustering is a viable method to scale beyond an OS's
limited
> > SMP scalability. However, even with clustering Linux and Windows are
> > lagging behind high end OS's with the ability to provide single system
image
> > facilities. For really large systems, their are many technically and
> > operationally superior platforms than Windows or Linux.
>
> > Don't read too much into benchmarks. They are artificial. Speak to
people
> > running real world applications for a true picture.
>
> Everyone can relate to benchmarks, especially if they
> have a bearing on real world use.
>
> For instance, owners of Harley Davidsons used to
> maintain that in an honest race, a Harley would beat
> the crap out of those new fangled "rice burners" like
> the Kawasaki 900.
>
> The 1/4 mile was a very good benchmark, as was miles
> per gallon, and amount of maintenance required, and
> these served as reality checks.
>
> It became clear to all that a Z1 would run away from
> a Harley like it was standing still, would never break
> down, and get better gas mileage in the bargain!
>
> But Harley riders would counter with, "yeah, but it's not
> a Harley, and that's what counts".
>
> Some of these dinosaur OSes that have never seen
> use outside of a very specialized high end data center
> remind me of the old Harley Davidsons.
>
> Just my $.02
>
> jjs
>
Interesting allegory. Which I kind of agree with. But...
The majority of the most important, or largest, computer systems still run
on these "dinosaur" OSes. Telecoms, Banks/Credit Card authorisation, Stock
Exchanges, emergency services, Aircraft control and even AOL!
Also, in large real world transaction processing measurements and
demonstrations (not TPC benchmarks) these high end OSes do still have the
edge. For example last year Compaq demonstrated a "zero latency"
operational data store for the telecoms industry. They took real world data
from Swift, a leading telecoms provider, and multiplied it up to massive
volumes. Here are some stats. 111TB database. 128cpus. Single tables
with billions of records in them. They pushed this system to log details of
over 100,000 phone calls per second using a CORBA application, whilst
serving 10's of thousands call operators queries with sub second response
times, whilst performing complex data mining queries in the background.
Swift actually use this technology today. IBM, Sun etc. can all demonstrate
real world uses of their systems that just cannot be achieved *easily* using
Linux or Windows.
However, for commodity applications, like web serving, file and print, and
many transactional applications, low end OSes like Linux and Windows are way
ahead of "dinosaur" OSes.
Finally... It is very easy to find a comparison that puts one OS ahead of
another. Look at the problem to solve. Find the best platform for the
solution. Don't be blinkered. One size certainly does not fit all.
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