Linux-Advocacy Digest #981, Volume #27 Wed, 26 Jul 00 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Some Windows weirdnesses... (Tim Palmer)
Re: Windows98 (Tim Palmer)
Re: Linux ap't vs. Micorosoft (was: Re: If Microsoft starts renting apts (was: If
Micr (Tim Palmer)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451750 (Davie Tholen lies once again) (Jim Stuyck)
Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish. ("David Brown")
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some Windows weirdnesses...
Date: 26 Jul 2000 06:31:03 -0500
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Tim Palmer wrote:
>>
>> On 20 Jul 2000 00:24:56 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:24:03 +0100, Russell Wallace
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> >>> Even the ungraceful shutdowns aren't too bad, if one uses something
>> >>> like reiserfs -- a full-fledged data-journaling file system.
>> >>> (Disclaimer: I don't have it on my system, so can't say from personal
>> >>> experience.)
>> >>>
>> >>> By contrast, FAT is flat. :-)
>> >>
>> >>FAT is one of the very few pieces of software I've ever come across that
>> >>I really trust. I've seen any number of DOS/3.1/W95/W98 machines
>> >>hard-shutdown due to power failures, crashes or whatever in the 12 years
>> >>I've been working with them, and FAT doesn't mind in the least - all
>> >>that happens is any uncommitted data was lost (obviously) and
>> >>CHKDSK/Scandisk sometimes finds some lost sectors (that wouldn't have
>> >>done any harm except waste a little bit of disk space).
>> >>
>> >
>> >When I used to run Windows 3.11, I would sometimes get "cross-linked"
>> >files. This means that the MS FAT implementation would sometimes mix
>> >files together! ScanDisk would "fix" the problem by truncating one
>> >of the affected files (usually the binary file that is impossible to
>> >fix by hand). Usually, these problems were only discovered after they
>> >were present for a long time. I've never had this problem on an ext2
>> >filesystem.
>>
>> When i used to run Lienux, it woold sometimes crash, and it woold fsck for an
>> hour and a haff and haff
>> the fials woold get deleited. I pull the plug on Windos, and affter a short
>ScanDisk,
>> it come's back up,
>> no ploblem.
>>
>
>fsck does NOT delete files, it moves them to the directory lost+found.
>
>Positive proof that timmy is a crack-head.
And why does'nt this derectary appere in the Desktop?
>
>
>
>> >
>> >--
>> >If a man commits sedition in the middle of the
>> >woods, and there are no cops around to arrest
>> >him, is he still a criminal?
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>
>C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>
>D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>
>E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
>F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
> response until their behavior improves.
>
>G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows98
Date: 26 Jul 2000 06:31:13 -0500
Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tim Palmer wrote:
>
>
>> >
>> >Yes, but removing the old version (minus config files) is not too much of a
>> >hassle normally, unless of course it's got no uninstall program or
>> >installed a lot of files so takes a good while to remove them.
>>
>> ...which is normly the case on UNIX.
>>
>
>You haven't used RPM, have you, Tim?
>
>Colin Day
>
You Lie-nux iddiot. UNIX is crap.
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux ap't vs. Micorosoft (was: Re: If Microsoft starts renting apts
(was: If Micr
Date: 26 Jul 2000 06:31:23 -0500
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Tim Palmer wrote:
>>
>> LIE-nux Apt's v2.4.0.BETA.0.0.0.1
>>
>> WINDOW
>>
>> The apt comes with no outside walls at all, but it comes with brick's and mortar,
>> and panes of glass,
>> and a short summery of how to bild with them, so you can built in as many windo's
>> as you want.
>
>When I installed SuSE 6.4, I not only had a functioning O/S, I also had
>a couple HUNDRED applications installed from the get-go.
>
...like vi and sedd and gcc, things to hack toggether something that
reseblel's a app.
>
>Seems to me like Linux is a mansion, and LOSE-DOS is the one insisting
>that the owner "build a system himself"
>
...and grepp and tr and strings...
>
>>
>> LOOK AND FEEL
>>
>> It comes with no look and feel in partickueller, but residdants are aloud to
>> have any look and feel they want as long as they bild it themselves.
>Yes, it was soooooooooo difficult to point-and-click the setup to
>specify
>installation of KDE, GNOME, fvwm, fvwmnf, motif, etc., etc.,
>
>I spent YEARS learning how to do it... NOT!
Getting it's instaled is one thing. Try using it evry day.
>
>
>>
>> SUPER RESIDENT
>>
>> Certain tasks can only be peformed by the Super Resident. The Super Resident
>> can move into and out of any appartmant he want's.
>Which is how it should be...or are you claiming that crack-whores and
>their johns should be given access to your wardrobe and jewelry?
>
>>
>> ILLECTRICITY
>>
>> The illectricle sistim was built by thousands of amateur illectritions, and
>> it isant finnished yet and
>> thear might be a few short cirkit's hear and thear. The wall sockets fit European
>> plugs, so you'll have
>> to throw away all your American illectricle appliances and go to Europe to by
>> new ones.
>>
>
>How come Linux user's aren't getting "zapped" on a monthly basis
>like LoseDOS lusers?
They do get zapt, but you dont' here about it because they just except it and fix it
themself.
>
>
>> If all the lites in your house go out, you are encouraged to take apart the
>> walls and fix the short
>> cirkit yourself. All our illectritions are busy fixing other bilding rite
>> now,
>> whear there mistakes are causing constint problems.
>> By doing this, you
>> will also restore illectricity to your neighbors. Keep in mind that
>> you nead to become the
>> Super Resident before you can fix anything that is part of the apt.
>
>
>How many Windows users does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
>None; Microsoft has defined Darkness(TM) to be the lighting standard.
How manny Lie-nux zellates does it take to ripplace a wall socket?
>
>
>>
>> TELEVISION
>>
>> For some reason, regular tellevisions don't work in the Lixnu Apt's. Only the
>> Netscape TV will work. Unlike
>
>Lynx, Arena.
...a black-and-wite TV and a TV that can't except cabal.
>
>Unlike LoseDOS, Linux doesn't maliciously come in and DESTROY your TV
>SET
>if you dare buy from anyone other than the "company store"
>
>
>> a normall TV, the Netscape TV doesa'nt have the fixed frequencys of each channle.
>> Instead, it homes in
>> on the strongest signle to determin the frequency. It can take as long as 10
>> minnutes to switch from
>> channle 4 to channle 5 this way. If you touch the TV, you might maik it loose
>> the frequency, in which
>> case, it has to "rehome" the channle.
>>
>> TRASH
>>
>> Every Resident get's an R-M wand. Whattever the end of the wand touches is instantly
>> vaperized. It is
>> not the responsibbillaty of Red Hat Apt's if you vaperize your dog, your girlfrend,
>> or your Netscape TV.
>
>A. In 20 years of using Unix, I have only had 2 "rm accidents".
>
>B. Conversely, Unix and Linux have trashcans for idiots like yourself,
>but
> at least they are smart enough to have a cron job come by on a
> weekly basis and clean out the dumpster.
>
...what a stoopid idea.
>
>
>
>>
>> TENANT MAINTENANCE
>>
>> Appliances in your apt will sometimes, for no reason, stop what their doing
>> and dump a "core" on the
>> floor. Forenstic evidence in the core can be exammin'd by a labbertory specialist
>> to figure out why the
>> core was created, but you are incouraged to do the lab work yourself. Some
>appliances
>> will leave cores
>> that cannot be vaperized with the R-M wand unless your the Super Resident.
>
>In contrast, M$ appliances typically catch on fire, filling the
>apartment
>with smoke which forces you to vacate the premises. Occasionally, the
>fire takes down the entire apartment complex, forcing a complete
>rebuild.
Pure FUD.
>
>
>>
>> PEST CONTROLL
>>
>> Ressidant's are incouraged to exterminnait any bugs they find themselve's.
>
>As opposed to M$ standard operating procedure:
>
>A: deny that bugs exist
>B: Deny that viruses are present
>C: let users get sick and die.
...call a perfeciennal exterminnater.
>
>>
>> SECURITY
>>
>> This is an Open Doors appartmant complex. Since there are so manny people wacthing
>> for inntruders, there
>> is no nead for there to be locs on the doors. You are incouradged to run your
>
>
>Evidently, timmy has never heard of the locks known as FILE
>PERMISSIONS!!!!
>
>
>> own closed-circut cirvalence
>> demon (CCCd) and spend all your free time watching the taps that were recorded while
>> you were out or sleaping.
>
>you truly are a fool.
>
So Lie-nux doesn't halve /var/log?
>
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:02:13 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >All of this discussion about Microsoft renting apps with .NET
>> >got me to thinking...what are we facing if, in fact, Microsoft
>> >does start renting apts???
>> >
>> > Microsoft Apts 2000
>> >
>> >WINDOW
>> >
>> >No apartment may ever have more than one window. Residents might
>> >forget which window they were looking out of and get confused.
>> >
>> >The window will be open, all the time, even in the dead of winter,
>> >because marketing discovered that most people want the window open.
>> >
>> >APARTMENT SNAPSHOT TRANSMISSIONS
>> >
>> >When you arrive home each day, a security camera will photograph you,
>> >and send a picture to Microfoft Headquarters. It's for your own good.
>> >
>> >LOOK AND FEEL OF YOUR APARTMENT
>> >
>> >Residents are not be allowed to change the curtains, nor hang blinds
>> >in the window. Microsoft has already provided the most popular
>> >window. Shut up and be thankful you have a window.
>> >
>> >THE BLUE LIGHT OF DEATH
>> >
>> >Some times, you may find all of your normal lights have shut off
>> >and your entire apartment is suddenly filled with a blue light,
>> >with a strange message is written on the wall, like "Illegal Fork
>> >in Virtual Device 0x0BEDB00F." This indicates that a rodent or
>> >ghost in your system has died...or maybe not...actually, we don't
>> >know. Don't bother to call the manager, he won't know why, either.
>> >Simply leave your apartment, come back in, and usually, the lights
>> >will come back on. If the lights don't go back on, you can always
>> >try having replacement furniture delivered, as that seems to help.
>> >
>> >Nobody knows why this shit happens, but you should consider normal.
>> >[Why??? Because if we've kept your head filled with low expectations
>> >for this long...why should anything change now?]
>> >
>> >APARTMENT FORMAT SERVICE
>> >
>> >If your lights STILL do not come back on, management provides a
>> >Format service. When a resident requests Format C:, a man with
>> >a flame thrower will come to your apartment, and incinerate the
>> >entire contents. After the flames die out, you can begin reinstalling
>> >your apartment, You can install new copies of your old furniture, and
>> >everything will be just like before, only better, because that arm
>> >off the old couch--you remember the one that your nephew accidentally
>> >removed...it will be back when you re-install your couch. Not only
>> >that,
>> >but all of those old photo albums and billing records and stuff...you
>> >really don't need all of that old clutter around, anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> >Also, it is improper to put anything away in the usual fashion.
>> >For example, if you get a suit back from the cleaners, just wad
>> >it all up in a ball, and throw it into he middle of the room.
>> >The jacket, might, for example, end up on a chair, and the vest,
>> >hangingon your sink faucet and your pants in the dishwasher. If you
>> >have a game...NO PROBLEM...just throw the box up in the air, and
>> >the board, and all the cars and pieces will land SOMEPLACE. The
>> >point is...you don't have to worry about that right now!
>> >
>> >When your apartment gets too cluttered, simply call management to
>> >come defragment your room. Be careful not to move anything while
>> >management is defragmenting your room, or they will have to start
>> >the entire process all over again. We advise going shopping for
>> >more furniture for your apartment.
>> >
>> >
>> >PARTITIONING YOUR APARTMENT
>> >
>> >Although it is possible to "partition" your apartment, by reducing
>> >the size of the C: room to make rooms D:, E:, F:, etc... Microsoft
>> >advises against it. Why do you need unnecessary walls in your
>> >apartment? Microsoft advises having everything in one big room
>> >Everything....the kitchen sink, the refrigerator, your bed,
>> >your medicine cabinet, even your toilet. One big room, with
>> >one window and your Microsoft curtains. That's all you need!
>> >
>> >TRASH
>> >
>> >Also, every Microsoft apartment has an expandable dumpster.
>> >When you put some object, like, the toaster your little brother
>> >broke and you had to re-install.... the OLD, broken toaster can
>> >be conveniently stored in the dumpster in case you want to get
>> >it back again. As time goes on, you might notice that your
>> >apartment is getting smaller and smaller. Actually, that' not
>> >the case...when you put something into the Microsoft dumpster,
>> >it actually stays in your apartment, and so, with time, your
>> >trash can keeps getting bigger and bigger, filling up a larger and
>> >larger portion of your apartment. So, if you ever want that stupid
>> >old broken toaster again....even months later....just look in
>> >your dumpster, it's still there, right inside your apartment.
>> >
>> >ELECTRICITY
>> >
>> >All electrical outlets conform to the Microsoft Plug-1 API. The Plug-1
>> >API uses only ONE terminal; the other electrical contact is a ground
>> >strap which you attach to the metal floor with screws. In a few years,
>> >the Plug-4 specification will be released. Plug-4 sockets will be
>> >fully backwards compatible with Plug-1 appliances, but slight
>> >increases in blown fuses will be a risk.
>> >
>> >AIRWAYS EXPLORER
>> >
>> >The 60Hz wave will be processed by Microsoft Power electrical
>> >converters. Power(tm) converters will make sure that critical
>> >harmonic frequency components (120Hz, 180Hz, 240Hz, etc.) will
>> >be boosted to proper levels all the way into the Megaherts range.
>> >Any interference with the resident's personal radio or tv set
>> >purely incidental, and is not evident of any malicious intent
>> >against residents who insist upon not using our fully integrated
>> >Microsoft Airways Explorer 5.0.
>> >
>> >STRUCTURAL INSTABILITY
>> >
>> >Of course, it goes without saying that like all residences Microsoft
>> >Apartments 2000 are built in an earthquake zone which lies on a flood
>> >plain in the middle of a tornado alley along the path of Atlantic
>> >Hurricanes. That's just a fact of life of having a building to live
>> >in. Just remember, Microsoft Apartments 2000 are 50 times more stable
>> >than Microsoft Apartments 98. Our current estimated uptime for a
>> >Microsoft Apartment is 90 days between structural collapses.
>> >Don't worry though, Microsoft Deckscan will search through the
>> >ruble of your apartment and reposition most things for you.
>> >All broken objects, or those which have fallen out of various
>> >drawers will be neatly lined up by the front door, and placed in
>> >gift-wrapped boxes with tags reading "Object001._DD" "Object002._DD"
>> >and so on. That way, even if an important screw from your somewhere
>> >inside your dishwasher falls out, you know EXACTLY where it is...
>> >right next to your front door.
>> >
>> >SCRIPTING
>> >
>> >
>> >The use of scripting, such as user-programmable microwave ovens is
>> >strongly discouraged. However, for a mere $300, you can buy a
>> >microwave that cooks chicken, and for another $200, you can buy a
>> >another microwave that thaws meat properly. If you want a microwave
>> >with a temperature probe, THAT will cost you $700...but it won't be
>> >able to cook chicken nor thaw meat properly.
>> >
>> >
>> >RENTER MAINTENANCE
>> >
>> >Even though Microsoft Apartments are completely intuitive, and
>> >don't need any maintenance, some users like to purchase Norton
>> >Janitors, or Norton Janitorworks 2000. NJW has neat things, like
>> >a Norton Doctor, which tells you how much space you've used in
>> >your apartment, and what day it is, and how cluttered and
>> >disorganized you are.
>> >
>> >APARTMENT MAIL SERVICES
>> >
>> >Recently, Microsoft has invented a new communications technique
>> >called "mail" Microsoft MAIL allows you to send and recieve objects
>> >to/from other apartments. Allegations that Microsoft purposely
>> >installs in our Apartments(TM) substandard sheetrock that harbors
>> >and sustains viruses found in mail--usually originating from
>> >pakistan and isreal, is, in fact, a blatant falsehood. Microsoft
>> >Apartments are completely protected ag ...ahg...ahg...ahchoo!
>> >
>> >
>> >POWER RENTERS
>> >
>> >You will see many owners of Microsoft Automobile. This family of
>> >products is easily identified by the use of Polygon Technology.
>> >Microsoft Wheel 2.0 has 8 sides and 8 corner, and Microsft Wheel97
>> >has 20 sides and 20 corners.
>> >
>> >Microsoft has discovered that increasing the number of sides and
>> >corners of a Wheel increases its stability and reduces the likelihood
>> >of control-difficulties that lead to crashes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Microsoft WheelsPT*
>> > Rolling Resistance (Ergs/Meter)
>> >
>> > | #
>> > | #
>> > | #
>> > | |
>> > | |
>> > | |
>> > | |
>> > | |
>> > | |
>> > | |
>> > | |
>> > | |
>> > | \
>> > | |
>> > | \
>> > | |
>> > | \
>> > | \_
>> > | \___
>> > | \______
>> > | \_________
>> > | \_______________
>> > | \_____________
>> > |
>> > +--+----+-+----------+---------+---------+---------+--------+
>> > 0 3 8 10 20 30 40 50 60
>> > A B C D
>> > Polygonality.
>> > (Sides + Corners) / 2
>> >
>> >As can be seen in in the graph above, wheels using large numbers
>> >of both sides and corners are the most efficient.
>> >
>> >Microsoft Wheel 1.0 (B) used an 8-sided polygon, as this is the
>> >break-even point and further investment in more sides could not be
>> >justified on cars and trucks with limited resources typical of that
>> >time. By increasing the number of sides and corners to 20 each in
>> >Microsoft Wheel 2.0 (C) rolling resistance has been cut in half.
>> >Microsoft Wheel2001 (D) will feature 60-sided wheels, for a further
>> >reductions in road noise, vehicle vibration and both driver and
>> >vehicle metal fatigue.
>> >
>> >Other auto-part suppliers may tell you that a tire only needs one side,
>> >and zero corners. Such tires, however, are very cheaply made, AND
>> >very costly to use. Viewing the graph above, one can see that the
>> >rolling resistance approaches the Y-axis asymptotically, which means
>> >that 1-side + 0-corner lie at the extreme left end of the graph.
>> >(1 + 0)/2 = 1/2. Our research show that below a polygonality value
>> >of 7, rolling resistance rises sharply. Other manufacturers'
>> >wheels have a polygonality of ONLY ONE-HALF(!!!!) and thus, have
>> >tremendously high rolling resistance.
>> >
>> >
>> >Additionally, circular tires give drivers less control. With
>> >Microsoft WheelsPT, the full flat side of a Wheel(tm) makes contact
>> >with the road surface as it bumps down the highway, giving the
>> >driver very high traction. In contrast, round tires give road
>> >contact on only an extremely small part of the tire.
>> >
>> >Also even parked cars with circular tires are dangerous! Other
>> >manufacturer's automobiles which don't use "Polygon Technology"
>> >require the use of an additional, difficult to use gadget called
>> >"brakes." Microsoft feels that the use of circular wheels is
>> >extremely dangerous, because if the user forgets to use the brake
>> >after parking, the damn thing might roll away!
>> >
>> >To protect all Microsoft Apartment 2000 residents, Microsoft prevent
>> >the use of these dangerous automobiles NOT equiped with safe Microsoft
>> >Wheels(tm) by Microsoft Apartment residents or their guests and their
>> >visitors, All parking spaces have 3-foot tall steel pillar in the
>> >middle of the parking space. Non-conforming automobiles will not be
>> >able to park; but Microsoft Automobiles have a special channel
>> >allowing your car to be safely parked in the parking space.
>> >Improperly parked cars will be towed and crushed.
>> >
>> >FRUIT TREES
>> >
>> >Microsoft Apartments all feature Microsoft FRUIT trees. Microsoft has
>> >conducted extensive research into this subject, and determined that
>> >everyone prefers fruit based on Delicious technology. Anybody spreading
>> >unfounded accusations that Microsoft Delicious is a poor implementation
>> >of the Macintosh technology can hash it out with our lawyers in
>> >Microsoft COURT(TM).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _
>> > / \
>> >| |
>> > \_X Someone told me about HOUSES--isn't that a better deal?
>> >
>> > ^
>> > /_\
>> >/ \ Rumors that some Linus guy and his friends are practically
>> >giving away land, upon which you can build your own house are to be
>> >taken with a bag of salt. Besides, houses are old technology.
>> >Sure, you can have multiple people in your house at the same time,
>> >and the toilet and cooking areas are in seperate rooms, and there
>> >are usually individual bedrooms for keeping your own stuff while
>> >still sharing the house with other people in your family, and a
>> >nice big yard that's all your own, and a basement to store stuff,
>> >and everyone can share the stereo but...who needs all that
>> >oldfashioned stuff when you can have Microsoft APARTMENT with the
>> >Microsoft WINDOW! If you buy a house, then you have to plant your
>> >own trees. Do you know how expensive it is to hire someone to plant
>> >an acorn!?!? Not only that, but in a house, there is no gardner to
>> >mow your lawn at 3:00 in the morning, providing you with a nicely
>> >fresh-cut lawn when you wake up, either that, or you must hire a
>> >gardner yourself, and have fun trying to find one who is willing
>> >to come cut your lawn at 3:00 AM! At Microsoft, we've solved that
>> >problem for you, so you can a good night's sleep, every night.
>> >
>> > _
>> > / \
>> >| |
>> > \_X Doesn't that HOUSE system have less bugs?
>> >
>> > ^
>> > /_\
>> >/ \ Rumors of bugs in Microsoft Apartment 2000 are
>> > [STOMP!] highly exagerated.
>> >
>> >
>> > Microsoft
>> > Where do you want us to go today?
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >Unix Systems Engineer
>> >ICQ # 3056642
>> >
>> >I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
>> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
>> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
>> > you are lazy, stupid people"
>> >
>> >A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>> >
>> >B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>> >
>> >C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
>> > sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
>> > that she doesn't like.
>> >
>> >D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>> >
>> >E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
>> > ...despite (D) above.
>> >
>> >F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
>> > response until their behavior improves.
>> >
>> >G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
>> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>> >
>> >H: Knackos...you're a retard.
>> >
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>
>C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>
>D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>
>E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
>F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
> response until their behavior improves.
>
>G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Jim Stuyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451750 (Davie Tholen lies once again)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:57:47 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ask Stuyck about his investigation involving Mai Fong, for example.
What "investigation involving Mai Fong" do you refer to? This is
the first such allegation I've ever seen. You didn't write "alleged
investigation," so your blanket assertion that there was an
"investigation" is written as if it were fact.
There was no such "investigation involving Mai Fong," so I'm curious
as to why you post yet another "lie and misrepresentation."
Jim Stuyck
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish.
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:01:17 +0200
T. Max Devlin wrote in message ...
>Said David Brown in alt.destroy.microsoft;
> [...]
>>Perhaps I am too cynical. But in a market where many of the other major
>>players are unethical to some extent, it is difficult to competly fairly.
>>MS is not the only company to have made shady deals, poached staff from
>>other companies, abused the naivity of the US patent office, or used other
>>unethical tactics.
>
>Unless you consider that a reason to act *more* ethically, not *less*
>ethically, then, yes, you are too cynical. The *skeptical* view is that
>there's little chance of that happening without some direct public
>acknowledgement of the problem. That seems to be a distinct
>possibility, thought, considering Linux's continued advancement.
>
I said it was difficult to compete fairly, not impossible. One could even
argue that Linux is not competing fairly because of its price and licencing
policies (although it is competing fairly with other alternatives, such as
FreeBSD). But Linux's success is due to its many advantages overwhelming
the benifits that other systems have gained through unethical behaviour.
> [...]
>>>Not with BG at the helm. He'd rather be destroyed than act ethically,
>>>as dramatically evidenced before our very eyes.
>>
>>I am not sure that he feels that way. Your statement implies that he knew
>>what the final verdict would be. Most of the rest of us were confident
that
>>he would be found guilty, but I think BG thought, right up to the end,
that
>>he would be found innocent, or at least the punishments would be of the
>>"promise not to do it again" style.
>
>I don't think you realize: he actually thinks he is innocent. He
>doesn't *recognize* the distinction between competitive and
>anti-competitive. He refuses to recognize that it even exists. That's
>the way it works for megalomaniacs.
You've gone further than me in arguing against yourself. I agree with you
here - but your statement negates your so-called evidence that "He'd rather
be destroyed than act ethically" - BG believes that he *is* acting
ethically. You can't have it both ways.
>
> [...]
>>I am not sure that we are going to get any closer to argreements, and I
>>don't think there is so very much more to be gained arguing this line.
>>We'll see how things go as the breakup is implemented - perhaps there will
>>be some more competition and we will see how well MS weathers the changes.
>>But for now, I think we will have to agree to differ.
>
>I never agree to differ; I'll only agree to continue differing.
Perhaps I should argue about your distinction here ... then again, perhaps
not.
>If you
>wish to give up the argument, fine. I'm more bored than you, though, so
>I'll happily harp on about how outrageously despicable Microsoft has
>been, if you'll prompt me occasionally with questions.
>
We will keep up the general interest (for ourselves and other readers) by
varying the topics slightly. But it is always interesting to hear more of
MS's antics.
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