Linux-Advocacy Digest #569, Volume #26 Wed, 17 May 00 23:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (Marty)
Re: Desktop use, office apps (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was Re: The
"outlook" for kooks) (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT ("Noname")
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was Re: The
"outlook" for kooks) (tholenbot)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was Re: The
"outlook" for kooks) (tholenbot)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 ("The Evil Beaver")
Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: But.... didn't they say it wasn't Outlook's fault? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Woofbert)
Re: X Windows must DIE!!! (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT ("Bracy")
Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows (Ian Bell)
Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT ("Bracy")
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Jim Richardson)
Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT ("Noname")
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot.
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:11:46 GMT
Pascal Haakmat wrote:
>
> Marty wrote:
>
> >I see you've taken the liberty
>
> How does one "take liberty", Marty?
It probably starts by blindfolding her, or wait... is that Justice?
> >of removing more context.
>
> Non sequitur.
How ironic.
> >Taking more context removal lessons from Dave "Watergate" Tholen?
>
> Why don't you ask Eric "Master of Forgery" Bennett what Cornell University
> thinks of him posting under a false identity?
I see you're posting from cable.a2000.nl again, Gerben. Interesting.
> >I'll restore it for you:
>
> Having me jump into discussions again, Marty?
Illogical.
> --
> Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
> ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
> (46 posters, 252 quotes)
> <http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
[PS: On Netscape 4.61 w/ Java 1.1.8 for OS/2, there's no way to see a list of
choices or answer the question. I can only just keep hitting the "PLAY/TRAIN"
button to cycle through a few quotes.]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Desktop use, office apps
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:16:09 GMT
On Wed, 17 May 2000 09:56:00 +0200, Torsten Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Raul Valero wrote:
>>
>> K6-2/350MHz, 256MB SDRAM PC-100, UDMA66 8GB HD, kernel 2.2.15 with VIA Bus
>> Master
>> XFree86 4.0, any window manager or desktop environment (often iceWMm,
>> Enlightenment or KDE)
>>
>> The whole Staroffice and an open document under the word processor takes
>> less than 1 minute by far.
>Here the same. Loading StarOffice takes 16 secs. With document loading
><20 secs.
>K6/2-450, 96 MB PC100-SDRAM, NCR8xx U2W with IBM DNES 9,1 GB U2W.
>
>Before this I had an P233MMX with 64 MB and UDMA/33 6,4 GB Fujitsu
>drive. This one loades SO in 20 secs.
SO 5.1 loads off of an E450 over the wire (100BaseT) in 3 seconds.
[deletia]
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:14:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
TheKeyMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Initially our plan was to jump to Linux hook line and sinker because
> it seemed to offer, on the surface, most of what we needed in a
> typical office setting. We understood that we would have to maintain
> NT to serve our somewhat vertical applications.
You're vendor-locked. Why bother with Linux at all?
> The initial plan was
> to setup Linux in the office as a secondary system that the personal
> could utilize at will. Sort of a duplicate system if you will.
> This failed terribly because nobody seemed interested in using Linux
> which puzzled the staff.
It doesn't puzzle me. Humans are resistant to change of any sort. Your
expensive consultants neglected human factors in their study.
> They went for Windows every time despite
> having dual boot computers.
Because that's what they're comfortable with. Push them outside their
comfort zone, and you'll get resistance. I hope you didn't spend (i.e.
waste) much money on those consultants.
> Upon quizzing the staff we discovered many things amongst them the
> reasons why Linux was not liked.
You've created an environment for failure by ignoring human factors, and
one thing humans are very good at is transferrance of responsibility.
> To put it bluntly, Linux Looks like shit.
I can tell you wanted this to experiment to fail based on just this one
statement. The fact that you've posted this where you did confirms that
want. You've successfully led your users to the desired conclusion.
> The fonts are jagged and
> boxy. Staroffice is a complete bloated mess of a joke compared to
> Office.
StarOffice is bloated. MS Office is bloated. Neither is a joke; they
are both exceedingly capable application suites.
> Netscape looks like crap and performs like crap also.
More fecal obsession. I use IE and Netscape about equally, and find
there are tradeoffs in both products. You are exhibiting bias. Which
you've undoubtedly transferred to your users.
> Our imported Word/Excel doc's did not transfer well at all into
> StarOffice.
Then your expensive consultants should have done some sort of
feasibility testing as part of a preliminary investigation before
shoving Linux down the throats of reluctant, scared users.
> We had severe network performance problems after installing Linux.
Please e-mail me with the names of your consultants so that we can be
sure of never hiring them. Unless horribly misconfigured, Linux should
perform similarly to any other operating system on a network.
> People, meaning end users generally hated Linux big time. Funny thing
> was they were so willing to talk about why they hated it so much.
Funny thing was, you were willing to listen so much. I would guess that
your users were goaded and coached on disliking Linux.
> I could go on and on but there is really no need. Linux is an
> operating system that needs a lot of work. We tried and could not make
> it work.
Windows is an operating system that needs a lot of work. So is OS/390.
And OpenVMS. And FreeBSD. And IRIX. And HP-UX. What's your point?
> I have talked to others in my industry that have had similar
> experiences with Linux so I know it is not my company..
I agree with you there. It wasn't your company; it was you and those
incredibly incompetent consultants you hired.
> Linux needs a lot of help...
Well, I think its safe to say you won't be providing any.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: 18 May 2000 02:32:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marty wrote:
>> >I see you've taken the liberty
>>
>> How does one "take liberty", Marty?
>
>It probably starts by blindfolding her, or wait... is that Justice?
How predictable, coming from someone who doesn't know the difference between
context and digestification.
>> >of removing more context.
>>
>> Non sequitur.
>
>How ironic.
Incorrect. Meanwhile, where is your logical argument?
>> >Taking more context removal lessons from Dave "Watergate" Tholen?
>>
>> Why don't you ask Eric "Master of Forgery" Bennett what Cornell University
>> thinks of him posting under a false identity?
>
>I see you're posting from cable.a2000.nl again, Gerben. Interesting.
"again", Marty? I see you're jumping to conclusions again.
>> >I'll restore it for you:
>>
>> Having me jump into discussions again, Marty?
>
>Illogical.
How ironic.
>> <http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
>
>[PS: On Netscape 4.61 w/ Java 1.1.8 for OS/2, there's no way to see a list of
>choices or answer the question. I can only just keep hitting the "PLAY/TRAIN"
>button to cycle through a few quotes.]
That sucks. You don't have a pulldown menu with poster names? Perhaps you
could try a Java appletviewer.
[PS: Yes, the number of posters (in my .sig) has miraculously decreased. The
previous value was simply incorrect.]
--
Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(35 posters, 252 quotes)
<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: "Noname" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:34:19 GMT
There are already "Top 20 Reasons" to use Linux.
You need 10 more to play a match.
"Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:51IU4.14757$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> 10. You were given the job of "Network Administrator"
> because you know how to copy a file from your hard drive
> to a floppy disk, and therefore know more about
> computers than anyone else in your office.
>
> 9. Money is no object, you can afford to spend thousands
> and thousands of dollars in client licenses for your operating
> system and applications.
>
> 8. Security is not important to you because you have no
> sensitive information.
>
> 7. "Troubleshooting" means calling Technical Support to
> solve your problems because you can't do it on your own.
>
> 6. "Loss of Data" is not an issue with you because you do not
> have any critical data.
>
> 5. "Crashing" is really just an excuse to turn your work in late.
>
> 4. Every now and then, you secretly run the "3D Pipes" screensaver
> in order to slow down your network just so that you can come in "fix
> the problem" so that your office thinks you're a hero.
>
> 3. You think that "Everyone - Full Control" is the proper default
> permissions setting for everything on your network.
>
> 2. You don't know how to install or uninstall anything unless you have
> an "installation wizard" to walk you through it.
>
> 1. You actually *believe* everything you read in Microsoft press
releases.
>
>
> Bracy
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:38:44 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Myrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Lucky wrote (using a pseudonym again):
Having more attribution problems, Myrat? You can call me Al.
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Myrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Eric Templetonbot wrote (using a pseudotholen again):
> >
> > Having more attribution problems, Myrat?
>
> Not at all.
On the contrary. Denial is not a river, Myrat.
> Typical of your paranoia, however, considering how often you
> declare that everyone is after your "Lucky Charms".
Illogical, as I only have Cheerios and Cranberry Almond Crunch in my
kitchen cabinet.
> > > > In article <3922db3e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brian Lewis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "tholenbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric Bennett wrote (using a pseudotholen again):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In article <8fk3j9$8g4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stephen S.
> > > > > > > > Edwards
> > > > > > > > II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If anyone on USENET ever wishes to emulate Templeton, as
> > > > > > > > > some seem take great pride and joy in emulating Dave
> > > > > > > > > Tholen
> > > > > > > > > (whom I know nothing of, outside of the opinions of
> > > > > > > > > others),
> > > > > > > > > just simply follow these steps:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Illogical. The true home of the tholenbot is
> > > > > > > > comp.os.os2.advocacy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Incorrect. How typical.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Evidence, please.
> > > > >
> > > > > $19.95 please (shipping and handling fees.)
> > > >
> > > > Jumping into a discussion, again, Brian?
> > >
> > > See what he means?
> >
> > How predictable, coming from someone having attribution problems.
>
> See what I mean?
>
> I see you've taken the liberty
How does one "take liberty", Myrat?
> of removing more context.
Non sequitur.
> Taking more
> context
> removal lessons from Dave "Watergate" Tholen?
Why don't you ask Eric "Master of Forgery" Bennett what Cornell
University thinks of him posting under a false identity?
> I'll restore it for you:
How ironic that you would defend someone who jumped into a discussion,
given that you make accusations of jumpings into discussion.
> > > > > > Tholenbot always picks the right newsgroup for the
> > > > > > job. Sometimes that is COOA.
> > > > >
> > > > > The right "newsgroup"? How rich!
> > > >
> > > > On what basis do you claim that the "newsgroup" is "rich"?
> > >
> > > Taking jumping into discussion lessons from Curtis Bass again, Brian?
>
> Note: no response.
Incorrect.
> > > I see you failed to answer the question.
> >
> > Incorrect.
Note: no response.
> > > > How predictable.
> > >
> > > How ironic.
> >
> > Balderdash.
>
> I see you're still too busy tending Chris Pott's Balderdash garden to
> form a
> logical argument.
Seeing things that aren't there again? No surprise there.
> No surprise there.
Common sense makes a cameo appearance.
> > > > > > > At least you made no attempt to conceal your own
> > > > > > > misinformation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What alleged "misinformation"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Why, don't you know?
> > > >
> > > > I see that,
> > >
> > > What you see is irrelevant, especially given your dirty glasses.
> >
> > "Your dirty glasses" are not a given.
>
> Non sequitur.
More evidence of your reading comprehension problems.
> > > > in typical Brian "I Don't Answer the Question" Lewis
> > > > fashion, you didn't answer the question.
> > >
> > > How ironic, coming from someone who, in a typical Brian "I Don't
> > > Answer
> > > the Question" Lewis fashion, failed to answer the question.
> >
> > Illogical.
>
> Not at all, Lucky.
Who?
> > > > > > > > On what basis do you claim that the lunatic is "on the
> > > > > > > > grass"?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ask your grasshopper
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The grasshopper is in my head.
> > > > >
> > > > > What alleged "head"?
> > > >
> > > > If you hadn't jumped into the discussion,
> > >
> > > The key word is "if".
> >
> > What is "key" about that word?
>
> Ask your red balloons.
What alleged "red balloons"? Meanwhile, you still fail to ask your
purple horseshoe.
> > > > you would have recognized the correct head.
> > >
> > > You are presupposing that he has "jumped into the discussion".
> >
> > I see you fail to dispute that he jumped into the discussion.
>
> Illogical, as I have not attempted to dispute that he jumped into the
> discussion.
Why is it illogical for me to make a correct factual observation?
> Yet more evidence of your reading comprehension problems.
How ironic.
> > > > > > On what basis do you claim that the lunatic is "on the grass"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Illogical.
> > > >
> > > > Yet again you fail to answer the question.
> > >
> > > How ironic, coming from someone who yet again failed to answer the
> > > question.
> >
> > Impossible.
>
> On what basis do you make this ridiculous newgroup?
Liar.
> > > > Of course, that is to be expected, coming from you.
> > >
> > > As your illogic is to be expected, coming from you.
> >
> > Illogical.
>
> See what I mean?
Your meaning is illogical.
> > > > Prove that there must be fifty ways to leave your lover, if you
> > > > think
> > > > you can.
> > >
> > > How ironic, coming from someone who just "slipped out the back,
> > > Jack".
> >
> > I see you continue to hop on the illogic bus.
>
> Seeing things that aren't there again, Lucky?
Who? Meanwhile, you fail to address your hopping on the illogic bus.
> Not surprising,
> considering
> your failure to drop off the key, Lucky.
Still advising Lee to eat his green clovers, Myrat? Illogical.
> > Prove that there must be fifty ways to leave your lover, if you think
> > you can.
>
> Yet more evidence of your reading comprehension problems.
On what basis do you make this erroneous and unsubstantiated claim?
--
Prove that there must be fifty ways to leave your lover, if you think you can.
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (was
Re: The "outlook" for kooks)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:39:38 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> [PS: On Netscape 4.61 w/ Java 1.1.8 for OS/2, there's no way to see a
> list of
> choices or answer the question. I can only just keep hitting the
> "PLAY/TRAIN"
> button to cycle through a few quotes.]
Obviously you are not using the best tool for the job. How predictable.
--
Prove that there must be fifty ways to leave your lover, if you think you can.
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From: "The Evil Beaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:41:32 GMT
Geo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote...
> "Keith T. Williams" wrote:
> >
> > IOW, I don't remember which magazines were around then. Certainly not
PC
> > ones. The discussion at the time was centered around if software was
> > patentable, then any algorithms which included in the software were also
> > patented, which meant that no one else could use them without at least
> > paying a royalty fee. And since an algorithm is a technique, which may
be
> > independantly discovered that would have been an inappropriate venue.
>
> BYTE magazine is the only one I recall. It was a treasure-trove of the
> significant advancements in programming with emerging languages.
How about Compute Magazine? It was good... I miss it...
=====
The Evil Beaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-- Remove NOSPAM to e-mail me.
This message ROT-13 encrypted twice for extra security.
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:37:04 -0500
Bracy wrote:
> 5. "Crashing" is really just an excuse to turn your work in late.
September '97: "My computer ate my homework" finally surpasses "My dog ate my
homework" in frequency of invocation by elementary school students.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
ps - No, it's a joke, not a fact.
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: But.... didn't they say it wasn't Outlook's fault?
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:42:07 -0500
Alan Boyd wrote:
> (I hope it was NewSpeak, that's how I remember it.)
Wasn't it "doublespeak"?
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:40:25 -0700
In article <eAHU4.1644$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I buy a new car, I sell my old car and all of it's accessories, since
> the
> majority of them will be specific to the vehicle. (for instance, a
> bugshield is typically designed for a specific car or similar cars, or
> many
> radios will not fit from one vehicle to another (full sized din radios
> found
> in most japanese cars won't fit in most half-din sized american cars)).
That's DIN, or Deutsche Industrie Norm. This is much like complaining
that a full-size drive won't fit in a half-height bay or that a
full-height PC card won't fit in a half-height PC card slot.
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>
Datadroid
Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation.
http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert/index.html
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: X Windows must DIE!!!
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:46:27 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > i tried the microsoft windows truetype fonts.
> >
> > andale and courier new look ok per se. both leave little specs after
> > them. somehow X doesn't clean up after the fonts. courier new was
> > worse in this regard than andale.
> In my case (Matrox MilleniumII 8Mb/AGP) all works perfectly. Check
> the settings for your server.
i've got one machine with a matrox millenium II 4MB PCI and another
with a 3dfx voodoo3. same little flecks of leftovers. perhaps it's
something to do with the redhat font server, a patched xfs.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:48:05 GMT
In article <LEIU4.4624$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Noname"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are already "Top 20 Reasons" to use Linux. You need 10 more to
> play a match.
>
Heh! Well, half of your items were "Linux is not from Microsoft" so can I
just fill in the other 10 with that too? ;-)
Bracy
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From: Ian Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 03:50:42 GMT
On 5/14/00, 9:47:07 PM, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding=20
progamming models, unix vs Windows:
> Why does one need drive letters? The only reason they exist is because=
> DOS did not have a hierarchical file system until version 2.0. 2.0!!! =
do
> you believe it?
OK! OK!
Drive Letters bad
Drive numbers better
Mount points better still
But what is really nice is being able to reference disk name
On the Amiga, the first floppy drive was called df0:
If there was a disk called "programs" in the first floppy drive, and=20
you wanted a file called hello.c, you could reference df0:hello.c, but=20
you could also reference programs:hello.c too. This had the advantage=20
that if you referenced a disk that wasn't in a drive, the OS would ask=20
for the disk before failing to find the file.
Ideally i'd like Linux to use a combination of this and mount points.
--
thezulu Ian Bell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This Linux system has been up 2 days, 16 hours and 06 minutes
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost
Date: 18 May 2000 02:51:40 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: > >Actually, Erik is right. The UNIX community had problems with
: > >people downloading binary files that had what we now call viruses
: > >in them, and executing them. In some cases, the shar script would
: > >even remove all traces of itself.
: >
: > The difference is that Erik uses this as an excuse, which is misplaced.
: > Executing email content seems to be possible with non-Windows MUAs (I've
: > been told that dtmail can execute shell scripts) but it certainly is not
: > common practice in Unix. Using the mailcap facility is. On Windows this
: > behaviour /is/ common practice (at least for Outlook Express, Pegasus
: > and Eudora).
: It's not commonplace on Unix because of the huge disparity in Unix
: implementations.
Your point brings up issues of a seemingly inherent hypocrisy concerning
commercial UNIX variants. When they are pointed out to be lacking
something for end users, their advocates state that the absence of said
something is necessary to allow for flexibility. Yet, UNIX advocates
still seem to be in favor of using UNIX well outside the boundries of the
server room (ie: the desktop, in the hands of end users). ie: You cannot
have an OS for end users, that has nothing to offer end users.
: If Unix wants to compete with windows, it has to start losing those
: disparities, which will make such viruses inevitable.
Exactly. The way that UNIX advocates seem to point fingers, and ridicule
Windows and its userbase about viruses is analogous to deep-sea
crustaceans [sp?] pointing fingers and laughing at sea lions for getting
eaten by great whites. They aren't up there, and they have no clue how
difficult it can be. But if they were up there, they'd be toasted even
faster.
: It's not a fault of the environment, it's a side-effect of making an OS
: capable of being used by computer illiterate people.
Again, I agree with you completely.
: There are always tradeoffs of security versus ease of use. Allowing *ANY*
: kind of connection to the internet is, in and of itself, a security risk.
: Even if you've got the best security on the planet, it can still be
: compromised. The *ONLY* way to prevent people gaining access is to lock it
: in a room with armed guards and no external network access.
And you might want to yank out that floppy drive while you're at it. :-)
--
.-----.
|[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and license.
| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
|_..._| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:53:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bobby D. Bryant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bobby Bryant Austin, Texas
>
> ps - No, it's a joke, not a fact.
>
Howdy, Neighbor!
Glad to see they're teaching you how to use a computer at t.u. ;-)
Bracy
An Aggie in Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:22:04 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 16 May 2000 23:40:20 GMT,
Stephen S. Edwards II, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
<snip>
>
>: > Charlie, Evan is trying to engage you in a battle of wits, but it seems
>: > that you have yet to figure out how to put your gloves on, let alone, your
>: > dukes up.
>
>: I like to debate with people who've actually used the OS.
>
>I was a Linux user since kernel v0.92. I used Linux until
>late 1996. Do you still wish to debate with me? I'm still
>waiting for you to present something that isn't your usual
>Linux utopian wet-dream blithering (read: something worth
>debating).
You mean to tell me that you stopped using Linux in 1996? and want
to compare it to W2K? hello! there have been a bunch of improvements
in the last 4 years.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "Noname" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:56:09 GMT
"Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:FRIU4.14828$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <LEIU4.4624$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Noname"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There are already "Top 20 Reasons" to use Linux. You need 10 more to
> > play a match.
> >
>
> Heh! Well, half of your items were "Linux is not from Microsoft" so can I
> just fill in the other 10 with that too? ;-)
>
Hahaha....Are you going to fill in the EXACT same sentence?
> Bracy
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